thoughts on a cycle?

[jenergy]

What up all!?

Alright my buddy used to play football hes 24 now and still works out regularly. He was wondering what kind of cycle he could run hes never really ran a “cycle” before. his stats are 6’2, 270, and around 18% he runs and he eats clean so hes a good candidate.

He doesn’t want to get bigger, just wants to lean down get a little more ripped/ harder no bloat. So I have some thought but I wanted to se what you guys think….he cant take clen, he tried ephedrine once and it made his nose bleed and what not.

I was thinking maybe sust and winny, 12 weeks winny the last 6. but that might be a shock he has taken winny before but he only took it for like 2 weeks it’s a long story.


ill be back later i have to go to class.....thanks for input

[SMILEY FACE]

Re: thoughts on a cycle?

how about sust and eq........!!!!!!
or prop and eq????
he can always do it naturally too like decreasing his calories and carbs and increase his protein intake and so forth..... and more cardio...

[Phreak]

Re: thoughts on a cycle?

how about sust and eq........!!!!!!
or prop and eq????
he can always do it naturally too like decreasing his calories and carbs and increase his protein intake and so forth..... and more cardio...

sust and eq is a good, safe cycle. low water retention and keepable gains.

i love winny personally, but if you wanna go super safe the i guess avoid the A-17's... although 6 weeks on winny most likely won't cause a problem at all.

your friend will gain a little more lean mass with the EQ while he will get better strength gains out of the winny.

winny also has an anti-e effect which is useful when taking test.

it's a toss up for sure...

i think i would go for the winny/sust personally

[SMILEY FACE]

Re: thoughts on a cycle?

i would go for sust and winny for sure MYSELF

[Phreak]

Re: thoughts on a cycle?

Nose bleed from Ephedrine? He must have some sort of HBP....I would tell him to get checked out before he takes AS.

With those stats, seems like he may be carrying extra BF% and AS would do more harm to his health than good.

very good points.

ideally he should get down to 10% naturally before starting his cycle... although i realize this is highly unlikely it would be the best road to take. he will retain some water from the sust, and if he already has hbp it will definitely be exascerbated by the extra fluid.

at 18% he can't be eating that clean or running that much either.

IMO anything over 15% is fat-ass territory

[jenergy]

Re: thoughts on a cycle?

Yea I told him the same that he needs to drop down to like 14ish before starting anything…hes not a fat ass by any means hes just a big dude… nose bleed thing happened after football practice while he was taking it so it could have been the heat and the workout with the ephedrine….and that was like 3 years ago, but he told he his bp is normal as of a month ago.

I keep telling him most people take gear b/c they want to get size not loose it, its all in the diet….but big runs in the family his dad is an x-power lifter he was a dumb truck in his twenties…I think it will be a waste or money to take anything until he gets lower bf.…I don’t know, I just don’t really know what to tell him…so im all ears

Thanks for the input so far!