My EQL deca vial UNDERfilled.

[Billy_Bathgate]

Originally posted by motogear
Look on your syringe. If you are drawing 1cc, have the bottle tipped upside down. You will have exactly 1cc when the plunger is at 1 and the top of the oil is at the zero line on the syringe. If you go from 1 to the tip of the pin you will always come up short.

No thats not true. That is why the plunger is conical shaped. It compensates for that. I thought the same thing too till I dug around and looked into it.

[Billy_Bathgate]

To be sure...I just measured. I got exactly 1 drop from the tip of the syringe (no needle). I estimate about .04ml.


So yes, some is lost. More than I thought even.

[the mechanic]

Bro, just as they said. Think about it just for a second ( as I had to when I read tyron14`s post ), it makes total sense. 15 draws from a single 10 ml bottle and you are bound to loose quite a bit. Look at the base of the needle after you inject.

[ElCid]

Originally posted by Billy_Bathgate
No thats not true. That is why the plunger is conical shaped. It compensates for that. I thought the same thing too till I dug around and looked into it.

I have to agree with B2 here. Just thinking from purely a liability standpoint, if the syringe manufacturer did not take into account the plastic reservoir, then the 1cc marking on the syringe would be inaccurate, and thus, the potential for a nurse or medical practitioner giving a patient the wrong dose would increase. This, in turn, could get the syringe manufacture in a whole world of hurt from a product liability standpoint (i.e., the hell sued out of them). I imagine it is more of a case of pulling a little too much out for each shot. As B2 points out, the plunger has a conical tip, and the needle hold a miscule amount of gear.

[Systema]

Originally posted by bowbow
Yeah I'm just digging for something bad to say. You figured me out. Boy reading that got my blood flowing. I'm just stating a damn fact of what I'm experiencing with the product. If I was digging for something bad to say I would have also said I havent gained a frigging pound but I've gained 20 lbs. This board is starting to piss me off when someone has something to say that isnt all positive about there product they get put down. I visit this board every day. Just cause I'm not a post ***** doesnt make me a bad person.

This is my first cycle but I cant imagine losing that much each time. If this is the case then in all my reading this is first time I have ever heard this mentioned. This Should always be stated to someone looking for advice on a first cycle. Because I know Joe Blow doing his first shot isnt going to draw .4cc of something when he is advised to take .5cc Just using that # as an example

Bouncer said he wasn't flaming you, don't blow it out of proportion. Why aren't you a post it *****, its a great life? j/k

[Billy_Bathgate]

Well actually, there is not a 0 mark at all. The lowest label is .5ml. The very first line is simply for reference. If there wasnt, people may assum the wrong numbers unless they went of the scale presicely...thats my guess.

Notice though, put it on your 0 mark and observe how far the plunger goes up past it and into the plastic resivoir.

The way a syringe is designed is this. The amount of dosage delivered is very exact. If you have 1ml, you will travel exactly 1ml till the plunger is comepletly depressed. Even if there is that little .04ml in the tip, you started with it too, so its not going against you really. Then the conical plunger is designed to compensate as much as possible to minimize waste of product.

There will be a tiny bit left, but very little. Like I said I only got 1 drop to come out.

[superchicken]

the design goal of a syringe manufacturer is not to make sure you DRAW exactly 1ml, it is to make sure you INJECT 1ml exactly.

bowbow, its entirely possible yours was underfilled, its also entirely possible you underfilled vial was due to your error.

[bowbow]

Not bad mouthing eql but I still beleive it to be underfilled. I alternate which I draw first. I dont wear glasses, I see very clearly I have not overdrawn that much. As for bouncers post I did take it as a flame. When he came on laughing at me and telling me to come on. He seriously thinks I'm full of shit. Whatever makes him feel better. Like Billy says you dont lose that much. I'm sorry.

[jack hust]

great conversation....

[superchicken]

regardless, theres too many vaiables. the only way to state it as fact that somthing is underfilled, is to take a big syringe and draw it all up at once.

every time you add another draw, you intruduce variables.

again im not saying your vial wasnt undefilled what im saying is there are losses and human error involved

[Drveejay11]

Originally posted by basskiller
Everybody calm down.. because of some of the things said in here.. I did a little experiment...
I want to see if and how much truth there was to losing a bit each and every time you inject..
Well I'm here to say that it is true and it's a little over 1/10 of a mil your losing per shot.
This is due to the area in the pin/plastic reservoir itself .

The plunger being concaved does little to prevent this.. I can only say that if it were flat, that we may have lost even more. But it doesn't compensate for the space in the pin and plastic reservoir...

Picture A is a full 1 cc of liquid I used BA in this test.
Picture B shows that same 1cc.. I pushed it until only 1 drop of fluid came out of the pin.
You'll see that it looks less than 1 cc..

So by this, we can see that when we pull enough juice out of the vial into the pin til we get to the 1 cc mark.. we have actually drawned out a bit over 1 1/10cc's ..

So every time you draw from the vial.. it's a bit over 1/10th that your drawning extra..

.5cc is actually .6
1cc is actually 1 1/10

I nominate the above as the most anal retentive post in FitnessGeared History!

LOL

:p

[BigSoda]

Originally posted by Drveejay11
I nominate the above as the most anal retentive post in FitnessGeared History!

LOL

:p

retentive :

[Drveejay11]

Uhhhh....no reason............LOL

:p

[BullFX]

FUK i have been injecting 1/10cc extra !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! lmao

[sully]

...expect the worst and hope for the best......bass and SC points were right on tho...