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[34pumped]

this question goes out to all the veterns and experts...ok an individual takes a cycle gains say 18pds and takes clomid and still loses down to 12 pds total gained on this cycle he does another cycle and another cycle , etc. does his cycle gains decrease each cycle? i mean u cant keep taking more and more and more and gain and gain every time or we all would be big ol monsters! so what happens? does the body adapt to as ?

[Aragorn]

Your body has a set point theory, and I know I won't be able to explain it all that well...YJ or even Maki might be able to articulate it a lot better for you.

Aragorn

[LOCO]

set point theory: (has nothing about roids in it, but u'll get the point)

One thing many people, not just victims of eating disorders, have trouble accepting, is the set point theory. Set point is the weight range in which your body is programmed to weigh and will fight to maintain that weight.

Everyone has a set point and just like you have no control over how tall you will be, or what color your eyes and hair will be, you also have no control over what your set point will be. Your body is biologically and genetically determined to weigh within a certain weight range.

Set points vary for each individual person. That is why it's not a good idea to go by the weight charts that you see in medical books or hanging in your doctor's office. For instance, a woman at a height of 5'5" with a small frame may have a set point range between 120-130 lbs, but another woman with the same frame may have a set point range between 130-140 lbs. Their set points may be different, but that is the weight range where their bodies will fight to maintain.

Everyone that has ever tried dieting knows just how hard it is to lose weight and keep it off. In the first few weeks of dieting, weight is usually lost, but almost always gained back. Many people become frustrated because after a few weeks of dieting, they usually stop losing weight or start gaining it back, even though they are still restricting their food intake. That is a sign that the body is trying to fight to retain it's natural weight.

When you go below your body's natural set point, your metabolism will react and start to slow down to try and conserve energy. Your body will start to sense it's in a state of semi-starvation and will try to use the few calories it receives more effectively. You may start to sleep more, your body temperature will drop, which is why you hear so many anorexics complaining of being so cold, and after too much weight loss many women experience the loss of their menstrual cycle. Basically their reproductive system shuts down because their bodies probably could not handle a pregnancy. Many people that are dieting also experience uncontrollable urges to binge. That is because your body is telling you that it needs more food than you are providing it to function properly.

Just as your metabolism will slow down when you go under your body's set point, it will also increase if you go above it. The body will try to fight against the weight gain by increasing the metabolism and raising the body's temperature to try and burn off the unwanted calories.

There is no test available to tell you what your body's natural set point is. The best way to determine what it is, is by eating normally and exercising moderately. If you have been dieting for years, it can take up to a year of normal eating for your body's metabolism to function properly and return you to the weight range that is healthy for you.

Learning to accept the fact that your body needs to be at a certain weight is a good way to stop the vicious cycles of dieting. The more you try to go below your body's set point range, the harder your body will fight to retain it's natural weight. Engaging in a healthy eating and exercise routine, will allow your body to go to the weight it wants and needs to be at. Learning to love and accept who you are, will help you to accept your body's natural set point. It is unfortunate that we live in a society that is obsessed with thinness, but we have to stop believing that thinness equals happiness. What everyone needs to do is stop judging people by how they look. If we can all accept each other for who we are, no matter what size we are, people will be much happier. Except, of course, for the diet industry, because they would be finally out of business.

[bigjim33]

i don't know much in technical terms or anything but to me if he gained 18lbs and lost 12 even with clomid i don't like the odds

[Aragorn]

Where'd you get that? I know Rickson explained it really well back at AR at some point...he only stops by once in awhile here, I'll see if I can find it.

Aragorn

[34pumped]

oh yea my other question was i guess in the long run age just takes over i mean say i build a good physique big and strong and i like what i got and dont want no more so i quit taking as. will my body slowly start losing all that i built? do i need to take as say atleast once a year to keep it?

[34pumped]

i was just using those numbers bigjim as an example

[Sldgehmr]

the biggest mistake that most people make isthat when they go on a cycle they make sure that they eat more food and protein and they put on weight. you have to remember that when you come off you still need to eat enough cals and protein to sustain all of the new muscle. you want to get your natural test production up and running as fast as possible while making sure you eat enough to maintain the growth. if you ate 150grams of protein before you gained all teh weight but ate 300grams while you were on cycle and say you put on 18 pounds you need to have enough protein to maintain that new muscle and weight.

[NecroPhreak]

Yes the gains do start to decrease over time.
I know guys that have been juicing for awhile that find a 5lbs cycle gain acceptable. I personally am at a point where if I keep 12lbs, I am ecstatic. last 2 cycles have been more like 8-10lbs kept.

[MIKE_XXL]

I think the genetics play the biggest role in how big you can get, for some no matter how much or what they take they just do not seem to make gains and at the same time all things being equal i have seen guys gain 25lbs in 10 weeks using 250mg of sust per week...i wish i was one of them but i am not so me have to eat lots...lol...

[monstercojones]

mike- your sig. reads liek a supplement bottle from GNC