Help On Planning Next Cycle

[teutonic]

For my next cycle I'm thinking of doing:

Tren Enanthate, Test Enanthate, Dbol & Prop.

With some help I got sought of a rough draft down:

1-4 dbol @ 30mgs ED
1-10 tren e @ 400 - 500mg (Mon/Thurs) shots
1-12 test e @ 500mg (Mon/Thurs) shots
13-14 prop @ 125mg EOD

Week 15 start Clomid

Liquidex - ??????????

Bromo - ????????

Weeks 5 - 3 days before Clomid
HCG - 312mg 2x a week (Mon/Thurs) shots

CLOMID
300mg ---- day 1
100mg----- days 2-11
50mg -----days 12-21

Nolvadex - 20mg ED Days 1 - 21

Do I need the Prop at the end? Just not sure on how to plan it out. Dont know all that much on dosing Tren Enan. and how long to take it.

I also read that you should "run the test higher and longer to help set up PCT"

Not sure on how to set up the PCT on this one. How long do you wait? I know 2 weeks after the Test E but how about the tren E?
Also not sure if I should add the prop at the end of the cycle.

Also would have on hand liquidex, nolvadex, bromo, clomid, HCG

I know i'm rambling on here but you get the picture.

Needs a little tweeking i'M SURE...ANY SUGGESTIONS???

[Sven]

Re: Help On Planning Next Cycle

run tren e at 300, no more than 350mgs.

[O2BESOHUGE]

Re: Help On Planning Next Cycle

WHY SVEN? TREN ACETATE AT 75MGS A DAY = 525 MGS A WEEK...THE TREN E IS JUST A SLOWER ESTER, SO WHY ONLY UP TO 350MGS? PLEASE EXPLAIN TO ME. CLUE A FELLA IN!

O2

[skeer126]

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if u do decide to run the tren e at those dosages ..kick up the test to about 750...jmo....my sex drive dies if the test isnt a decent amount higher than the tren.....unless u r susceptable to tren related gyno..bromo wont be needed....i would either drop the prop all togther or put it towards the begining...of course u got the idea running the test a bit longer than the tren so start pct i believe its roughly around 14 days after last shot of test e... also y r u only running nolva for the first 21 days?...i could be wrong but i think alot of guys might say drop the hcg all togther

[teutonic]

Re: Help On Planning Next Cycle

What o2 said :-)

750mgs of test is a bit to high for me..
Will doing 500mg Test E be that big of a deal?
the bromo I would have on hand just in case
Why drop the prop??? just dont see the need for it?? I'm going to kick start with dbol
Sorry...thats for PCT- Nolvadex days 1-21 20mg ED

[Sven]

Re: Help On Planning Next Cycle

WHY SVEN? TREN ACETATE AT 75MGS A DAY = 525 MGS A WEEK...THE TREN E IS JUST A SLOWER ESTER, SO WHY ONLY UP TO 350MGS? PLEASE EXPLAIN TO ME. CLUE A FELLA IN!

O2

With the tren e, the ester builds up, so it hits you HARD! I have run tren A @ 75 ED, and found tren E almost untollerable @ 500mgs/week. ( I got more gains from tren E also) This ? has come up many times before on 2 other boards, WCB and AM. I did it myself, and found tren E, b/c of the ester buildup is more potent. The sides were for more rough too, but came in waves. They hit hard at 3 weeks, then gone and came back in week 9 I believe. I will try to find the posts and find the scientific answer for ya. until then......O2...... BECAUSE I SAID SO!!!..lol...

[Sven]

Re: Help On Planning Next Cycle

I re-read the discussion at WCB and didnt find much, but I read an articl about longer esters being superior and more potent due to the build up. If I can find it I will post it. But I read it once and everything just clicked into place.

the answer is still.. BECAUSE I SAID SO......

[skeer126]

Re: Help On Planning Next Cycle

im doing tren e at about 600 mg's a week with minimal sides....everyone handles it differently.....500 should be no problem imo....tren e is one of my favorite copounds by far....i love seeing my triceps swollen and havign sick veings running thru them sideways....

[urladyswidme]

Re: Help On Planning Next Cycle

Damn. I did QV Tren (75mg EOD) on my last cycle and that shit definitely was some potent shit. Too strong for me IMHO. Why not pump it EOD? Tren also shut me down pretty hard after the cycle.

[Sven]

Re: Help On Planning Next Cycle

Damn. I did QV Tren (75mg EOD) on my last cycle and that shit definitely was some potent shit. Too strong for me IMHO. Why not pump it EOD? Tren also shut me down pretty hard after the cycle.

The whole concept behind the Enanthate ester here is so you dont have to shoot EOD, more like EW

[T-Man007]

Re: Help On Planning Next Cycle

Damn Sven, it's so hard to look at your avatar and take you seriously. LOL

But, I know you know you stuff.

[mick-G]

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this blood level stability thing is really ridiculious with the long esters. You can actually go 2wks without multiple shots of enathate or cypionate. Shooting it twice is not going to do a damn thing as far as results, especially with dosages of 400mg/wk and higher.

[Skarhead]

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Sven is right... You want LESS tren E than Ace

[Sven]

Re: Help On Planning Next Cycle

this blood level stability thing is really ridiculious with the long esters. You can actually go 2wks without multiple shots of enathate or cypionate. Shooting it twice is not going to do a damn thing as far as results, especially with dosages of 400mg/wk and higher.

PLease elaborate, you lost me, I see your point, but where was this comment directed??

[Equalizer]

Re: Help On Planning Next Cycle

For my next cycle I'm thinking of doing:

Tren Enanthate, Test Enanthate, Dbol & Prop.

With some help I got sought of a rough draft down:

1-4 dbol @ 30mgs ED
1-10 tren e @ 400 - 500mg (Mon/Thurs) shots
1-12 test e @ 500mg (Mon/Thurs) shots
13-14 prop @ 125mg EOD

Week 15 start Clomid

Liquidex - ??????????

Bromo - ????????

Weeks 5 - 3 days before Clomid
HCG - 312mg 2x a week (Mon/Thurs) shots

CLOMID
300mg ---- day 1
100mg----- days 2-11
50mg -----days 12-21

Nolvadex - 20mg ED Days 1 - 21

Do I need the Prop at the end? Just not sure on how to plan it out. Dont know all that much on dosing Tren Enan. and how long to take it.

I also read that you should "run the test higher and longer to help set up PCT"

Not sure on how to set up the PCT on this one. How long do you wait? I know 2 weeks after the Test E but how about the tren E?
Also not sure if I should add the prop at the end of the cycle.

Also would have on hand liquidex, nolvadex, bromo, clomid, HCG

I know i'm rambling on here but you get the picture.

Needs a little tweeking i'M SURE...ANY SUGGESTIONS???

honestly i think it looks fine with just a few minor things that are more personal preference than anything. I would just use 400mg of tren a week....have some liquidex or anti e on hand. The prop isnt a neccessity but there is no harm in running at the end but i dont think its gonna do a whole lot for you, i would just drop the prop and start pct at week 15. Also how many cycles have you done?