Extending for 20 weeks. Advice?

[builtbigger4you]

I ran 500mg/week of enan for 10 weeks (in my end of the 9th now). I was injured from week 5-8 (broke my damn finger), so my gains were minimal. I'm about to start 750mg/week sustanon and 600mg/week of deca for 10 more weeks. I know it's a long time for my nuts to be off for, but i already have a kid so if they break down for good, oh well. On a serious note, i have liquidex that i am running @ .5ml/day and a ton of nolvadex, plus about 60 clomid (50mg tab) for post. i usually run clomid for 150mg day 1 (2 weeks after last shot) 100mg day 2, and 50 mg for next 12 days. Should i change that up? Also, what do I need to do in addition to post cycle stuff? Side's I need to look out for? All advice appreciated If i left something out let me know. Heres my stats:
5'8"
12% BF
185 lbs.
working on 5th cycle and been working out for 6 years off and now on for good 1-1/2 years 6 days a week, time to be serious! Thanks

[skeer126]

Re: Extending for 20 weeks. Advice?

y r u switching to sust?...ne particular reason?...other than that just keep ure cals up b/c since u missed a little while the more u go into rue cycle the more u have to increase the cals to see big differences..keep us posted

[Phreak]

Re: Extending for 20 weeks. Advice?

at 185 lbs. the most deca you will need will be 370mg/week. it has been proven time and again over many years that 2mg per pound of bodyweight is the optimal dose; anything more than that dramatically increases the risk of side effects while giving minimal if any gains over the optimal dose of 2mg per pound.

if you lower the dose you can run it for a bit longer; there's no shame in going up to and past 20 weeks.

i would get some hcg as well to help the nuts come back after a long(er) cycle.

there is no need to run the nolvadex in conjunction with the arimidex. arimidex stops the aromitization process, so it is not necessary to block the estrogen receptors. if anything save the nolvadex for PCT.

[builtbigger4you]

Re: Extending for 20 weeks. Advice?

switching to sust b/c i don't wanna do vet gear like QV. I'm running Nile next week, just wanna try it. Karachi next time. You really think 375mg/deca is good? I ran it at 400mg my first cycle ever. Anyone elde have comments? I'm gonna break well into the 200 lb.'s this time, so I just don't wanna short hand myself

[Sven]

Re: Extending for 20 weeks. Advice?

400 is plenty on deca

[Sven]

Re: Extending for 20 weeks. Advice?

at 185 lbs. the most deca you will need will be 370mg/week. it has been proven time and again over many years that 2mg per pound of bodyweight is the optimal dose; anything more than that dramatically increases the risk of side effects while giving minimal if any gains over the optimal dose of 2mg per pound.

if you lower the dose you can run it for a bit longer; there's no shame in going up to and past 20 weeks.

i would get some hcg as well to help the nuts come back after a long(er) cycle.

there is no need to run the nolvadex in conjunction with the arimidex. arimidex stops the aromitization process, so it is not necessary to block the estrogen receptors. if anything save the nolvadex for PCT.

good post

[builtbigger4you]

Re: Extending for 20 weeks. Advice?

ok, 400mg it is. Also, the reason i'm running 20mg nolv. and .5 arim. ED is b/c i am having visual signs of gyno. they don't itch or hurt, but are starting to look wider than they are tall (eye ball shaped) and looking like they may be getting worse. will these anti e's reverse the gyno process (reduce it at least?) or do they just stop it from getting worse? how much will gains be hindered if i use both? I just don't want tits at all costs and if ONLY nolv. or ONLY liqui. is enough, than i'll drop one of em.

[builtbigger4you]

Re: Extending for 20 weeks. Advice?

http://www.fitnessgeared.com/forum/showthread.php?t=50943&highlight=gyno

so many different opinions here, yeah?

[Phreak]

Re: Extending for 20 weeks. Advice?

did you read my post?

if you have some signs of gyno then yes, nolva will help to reduce those. however, taking it during your cycle will hinder gains. it would be better to use the adex, as it will inhibit the aromitization process during administration, almost stopping the development of gyno in it's tracks.

you should save the nolvadex for your PCT regimen for a few reasons. one, it will serve to reduce or eliminate whatever gyno you may have. two, it will act as a catalyst to natural test production. three, it will help to balance your lipid profile, which will be out of whack from the cycle.

you can take 400mg of deca a week if you want, but you will not see better results from 400mg over 375mg. another thing to consider is that deca is a progesterone derivative, which can cause gyno from the prolactin that will be in your system. this will not be counteracted by adex, but it can be reduced with nolva. you will need bromo or dostinex or B6 to counter prolactin levels. i personally take 600mg of B6 a day when using deca, seems to work fine.

[Sven]

Re: Extending for 20 weeks. Advice?

did you read my post?

if you have some signs of gyno then yes, nolva will help to reduce those. however, taking it during your cycle will hinder gains. it would be better to use the adex, as it will inhibit the aromitization process during administration, almost stopping the development of gyno in it's tracks.

you should save the nolvadex for your PCT regimen for a few reasons. one, it will serve to reduce or eliminate whatever gyno you may have. two, it will act as a catalyst to natural test production. three, it will help to balance your lipid profile, which will be out of whack from the cycle.

you can take 400mg of deca a week if you want, but you will not see better results from 400mg over 375mg. another thing to consider is that deca is a progesterone derivative, which can cause gyno from the prolactin that will be in your system. this will not be counteracted by adex, but it can be reduced with nolva. you will need bromo or dostinex or B6 to counter prolactin levels. i personally take 600mg of B6 a day when using deca, seems to work fine.

Finally someone else who takes B-6 for prolactin levels.

Also, 400mgs of deca is easier to figure doses on than 375mgs. I personally dont think that the extra 25mgs will do any harm.

[Phreak]

Re: Extending for 20 weeks. Advice?

Also, 400mgs of deca is easier to figure doses on than 375mgs. I personally dont think that the extra 25mgs will do any harm.

yeah, i thought that after i posted... fark it

[builtbigger4you]

Re: Extending for 20 weeks. Advice?

Finally someone else who takes B-6 for prolactin levels.

Also, 400mgs of deca is easier to figure doses on than 375mgs. I personally dont think that the extra 25mgs will do any harm.

that's why i said 400mg. easier. thanks fellas for all the help. and damnit, i just left the vitamin shop! i just got 7.5lbs of isopure and some pantothenic acid, but back I go..........