HOW DO I LOWER MY BL

[SMILEY FACE]

without getting off my cycle..i checked it last nite and high is 140 on the machine and normal is 135 and i had 157....it's not good...would garlic tbs help and some aspirin?

[skeer126]

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throw a little cardio into the mix maybe?

[mick-G]

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Mike, yes take some Kyolic (sp) garlic and asprin will help, but take the St. Joseph ones they are 82mg ea, just one ed. Ive also used, and i know its gross, but one big tablespoon ed of apple cider vinegar will help also thin the blood quick. You can mix it wth alittle water and some honey to cut the tartness. Have you had your cholesterol checked also? that is high Mike. Mine is about 135-145 when im running. I wouldnt throw in alot of heavy cardio, untill it goes down. You really need to clear out your system for awhile Mike.

[SMILEY FACE]

Re: HOW DO I LOWER MY BL

Mike, yes take some Kyolic (sp) garlic and asprin will help, but take the St. Joseph ones they are 82mg ea, just one ed. Ive also used, and i know its gross, but one big tablespoon ed of apple cider vinegar will help also thin the blood quick. You can mix it wth alittle water and some honey to cut the tartness. Have you had your cholesterol checked also? that is high Mike. Mine is about 135-145 when im running. I would throw in alot of heavy cardio, untill it goes down. You really need to clear out your system for awhile Mike.

i don't like cardio skeer for now.....
no i haven't tried aspirin or anything yet and yes i know i'am tooo high now and i haven't checked my cholosterol at all....
i mean i'am not running high dosages at all:
test 1250 mg
test 150
deca 600 and slin at 20 ius

[Shiner22nd]

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I agree....good amount of cardio and keep your sodium levels down. Since your're apparently 'on', you body is already holding lots of water, so that sodium doesn't help. Good luck bro, and check with your doc too....Shiner

[SMILEY FACE]

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cardio?????? hmmmmmmmmmmmmmm.....

[president_fad]

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y dont u want to do cardio?

[SMILEY FACE]

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it's my bulking cycle.... and did u get my pm..

[Iron_Gook]

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I believe some taurine will help as well...

IG

[SMILEY FACE]

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who deleted my anadrol 150 mg ?

[president_fad]

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it's my bulking cycle.... and did u get my pm..

20 minutes a day to help lower your blood pressure will not effect your gains. Yes i did.

[geesler]

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That sucks mikey.. gotta watch those things. Cardio wont hurth the bulking jsut add some more calories to make up for it

[Equalizer]

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i don't like cardio skeer for now.....
no i haven't tried aspirin or anything yet and yes i know i'am tooo high now and i haven't checked my cholosterol at all....
i mean i'am not running high dosages at all:
test 1250 mg
test 150
deca 600 and slin at 20 ius

those are moderate to high really lol what about the a bombs are u taking those too? those are probably the biggest problem.

[geesler]

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Mikey hyeres some articles for you, Vitamin C and anitoxidents can help, as well as MAgnesium, and excess DHEA may be contributing to the higher blood pressure. Also STEER CLEAR of sodium!

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Vitamin C lowers blood pressure in hypertension

By: Thomas Pickering, MD, DPhil, FRCP, Director of Integrative and Behavioral Cardiology Program
of the Cardiovascular Institute at Mount Sinai School of Medicine, New York.

It has been found in epidemiological studies that people who consume diets that contain a lot of vitamin C (also known as ascorbic acid) tend to have lower blood pressure, and the DASH diet, which has been shown to be so effective at lowering blood pressure, includes several servings of fruit, which is the major source of vitamin C in the diet. A number of studies (some of which we have reviewed) have looked to see whether taking vitamin C pills lowers the blood pressure, with inconclusive results.

A new study conducted in Boston has examined the effects of giving hypertensive patients 500 milligrams a day of vitamin C. There were 39 patients altogether, half of whom got vitamin C and the other half matching placebo (inert pills); their average blood pressure before the study was 155/88 mmHg. Blood pressure was measured two hours after giving the first dose and after one month of treatment. The study was double blind, so that no one knew what type of pill each patient was getting until after the study. The results were clear- cut. There was no effect on blood pressure two hours after the first dose, but after one month, the systolic pressure in the group getting the vitamin had fallen by 12 mm Hg more than those getting the placebo. The effect on diastolic pressure was less pronounced and did not reach statistical significance.

Doctor’s comments

Other studies of the effects of vitamin C on blood pressure have given less consistent results, but in this one, the effects on systolic pressure were quite strong. The reason why the change of diastolic pressure was less pronounced may have been because it was normal to begin with. The mechanism by which vitamin C lowers pressure is not known, but it is an antioxidant, and it may help to restore the function of the endothelium (the inner lining) of the arteries, which becomes disrupted in hypertension, in part because of the effects of oxidation by free radicals.

Where it was published

SJ Duffy and colleagues. Treatment of hypertension with ascorbic acid. Lancet 1999; 354: 2048.


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Coenzyme Q10 lowers blood pressure

By: Thomas Pickering, MD, DPhil, FRCP, Director of Integrative and Behavioral Cardiology Program
of the Cardiovascular Institute at Mount Sinai School of Medicine, New York.

There have been suggestions from animal and human experiments that coenzyme Q10, an antioxidant which is becoming a popular nutritional supplement, may lower blood pressure and help to prevent heart disease.

A study conducted in India took 59 patients with hypertension who were admitted to hospital with angina or a heart attack, and randomly allocated them to get either four coenzyme Q10 capsules a day (marketed as Q-gel, and each containing 30 mgs of coenzyme Q10) or placebo capsules. The study lasted for eight weeks and involved the measurement of blood pressure and blood tests. The patients given coenzyme Q10 showed a reduction of blood of 12/7 mmHg (systolic/diastolic) at the end of the study when compared with the control group. There was also a reduction of blood triglycerides and insulin, and a slight increase of HDL (“good”) cholesterol.

Doctor’s comments

Unsubstantiated claims are made for many dietary supplements that they lower blood pressure, but here’s one that really does seem to work. There are other studies that have found the same thing, and there is also some evidence that deficiency of coenzyme Q10 is associated with hypertension.

Where it was published

RB Singh and colleagues. Effect of coenzyme Q10 on blood pressures and insulin resistance in hypertensive patients with coronary artery disease. Journal of Human Hypertension 1999; 13: 203


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Vitamin C lowers blood pressure and raises HDL in older people

By: Thomas Pickering, MD, DPhil, FRCP, Director of Integrative and Behavioral Cardiology Program
of the Cardiovascular Institute at Mount Sinai School of Medicine, New York.

The effect of vitamin C (ascorbic acid) on blood pressure and blood lipids has been controversial, although there is evidence that people who consume a lot of vitamin C tend to have a more favorable risk profile for cardiovascular disease. Many elderly people have a relatively low intake of vitamin C.

A study of 40 men and women aged between 60 and 80 investigated the effects of giving 500 milligrams a day of vitamin C or placebo for three months. Blood pressure was measured both in the clinic and by 24-hour ambulatory monitoring, and the effects on blood lipids were also measured. None of the subjects were taking blood pressure-lowering medications. The average clinic blood pressure was 142/88 mmHg at the start of the study, and it was unchanged after taking vitamin C. The average daytime pressure measured by the 24-hour monitors was reduced by 1 mmHg from both systolic and diastolic pressures. In the 17 subjects who were hypertensive at the start of the study, the fall of daytime pressure was 3/3 mmHg.

Total and LDL cholesterol were unchanged after taking vitamin C, but the HDL (good) cholesterol increased from 1.53 to 1.56 mmol/l (59 to 60 mg/dl), a change that was just statistically significant. This increase was more pronounced in women than in men.

Doctor’s comments

These changes of blood pressure and HDL were hardly dramatic, but they were at least in the right direction. A few other studies have also reported a blood pressure lowering effect of vitamin C, although some have found none. Taking vitamin C will not by itself cure hypertension, but it seems reasonable to recommend that older people should maintain an adequate intake of C on the basis of these results.

Where it was published

MD Fotherby and colleagues. Effect of vitamin C on ambulatory blood pressure and plasma lipids in older persons. Journal of Hypertension 2000; 18: 411.

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DHEA levels are increased in hypertensives

By: Thomas Pickering, MD, DPhil, FRCP, Director of Integrative and Behavioral Cardiology Program
of the Cardiovascular Institute at Mount Sinai School of Medicine, New York.

DHEA (dehydroepiandrosterone) is a steroid hormone made in the adrenal glands that is converted into estrogen and testosterone in the tissues of the body. The blood levels of DHEA are higher than those of other steroids and decline markedly with aging. There is some evidence (though not consistent) that people with higher levels of DHEA are less likely to develop heart disease, and less likely to have impaired brain function. This has resulted in DHEA supplementation becoming popular to prevent the effects of aging, although there is no proof that this does any good.

Some human studies have shown that DHEA levels are also higher in people with high blood pressure. Now a German study has examined this in more detail. Six hundred and forty six middle-aged people were sampled from the general population and had measurements of their blood pressure and steroid hormones. The main finding was that there was a significant relationship between the DHEA levels and blood pressure, with hypertensives having higher levels than normotensives. DHEA levels were also related to levels of another steroid hormone, aldosterone, which is known to raise blood pressure by making the kidneys retain sodium.

Doctor’s Comments

This finding is of potential concern to people with high blood pressure who take DHEA supplements, and suggests that blood pressure should be carefully monitored. Nevertheless it does not prove that DHEA actually raises blood pressure, and in experimental animals it has not been found to do so.

Where it was published

H Schunkert and colleagues. Relation between dehydroepiandrosterone sulfate and blood pressure levels in a population-based sample. American Journal of Hypertension 1999; 12: 1140.


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Magnesium supplementation can lower blood pressure in people with hypertension

By: Thomas Pickering, MD, DPhil, FRCP, Director of Integrative and Behavioral Cardiology Program
of the Cardiovascular Institute at Mount Sinai School of Medicine, New York.

Magnesium is a mineral that is important for many bodily functions. In animals deficiency of magnesium raises blood pressure, and giving supplements can lower it. Some epidemiological studies in humans have suggested that those who eat more magnesium in their diets may have lower blood pressures, but this has been difficult to establish with certainty.

A Japanese study has found that giving people magnesium pills does lower blood pressure. Sixty people with mild hypertension were given pills containing 400 milligrams of magnesium oxide twice a day (equivalent to 480 milligrams a day of magnesium) for eight weeks. Blood pressure was measured in the doctor's office, at home, and with 24-hour monitoring. All three methods showed a small but significant fall of blood pressure as a result of taking the magnesium, of about 2 mm Hg in men. The changes were greater in men with higher pressures at the start of the study. Magnesium did not lower the blood pressure in women.

Doctor's comments

The recommended daily intake of magnesium is 350 milligrams for men and 280 for women. Most people get less than this (estimates for the average intakes of American men and women are 280 and 215 milligrams). This study showed a modest reduction of blood pressure, which was most pronounced in men with higher pressures. Earlier studies have given inconsistent results, and the strength of this study is that all three methods of measuring blood pressure gave the same answer. The subjects in this study were eating less than the recommended amounts of magnesium before they went on the supplement

Where it was published

Kawano Y and colleagues. Effects of magnesium supplementation in hypertensive patients. Hypertension1998;32:260-64


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The first proof that vitamin E protects against heart attacks.

By: Thomas Pickering, MD, DPhil, FRCP, Director of Integrative and Behavioral Cardiology Program
of the Cardiovascular Institute at Mount Sinai School of Medicine, New York.

Although several studies have suggested that people who take vitamin E are at reduced risk of heart disease, conclusive evidence for a protective effect of vitamin E has so far been lacking. Now comes a randomized clinical trial (called CHAOS--the Cambridge Heart Antioxidant Study), which appears to settle the matter.

Two thousand men and women who already had coronary heart disease were treated with either vitamin E (400 or 800 IU per day) or placebo (inert pills) for one to two years. There were half as many heart attacks in the group given the vitamin as in the other group. The overall death rate was not affected.

Doctor's comments

To prove that a particular treatment is effective generally requires a randomized trail such as done here. This is the first time that this has been done using vitamin E and shows conclusively that in people who are at high risk of having a heart attack, this risk can be cut in half by vitamin E. A dose of 400 IU appears to be sufficient. It would have required a larger number of patients followed for a longer period of time to show an effect on mortality.

Where it was published

Stephens NG and colleagues. Randomized controlled trial of vitamin E in patients with coronary disease: Cambridge Heart Antioxidant Study (CHAOS). The Lancet 1996;347:781-86


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Vitamin C Lowers Blood Pressure - New Findings

Whether or not vitamin C (ascorbic acid) lowers blood pressure has been somewhat controversial, with some studies suggesting that it does, while others found no effect. It has also been suggested that one of the reasons why the DASH (Dietary Approaches to Stop Hypertension) diet lowers blood pressure is because the fruits and vegetables which it contains are rich in vitamin C.

A new study in which 68 men with mostly normal blood pressures were fed diets which had varying amounts of vitamin C has now looked at this question again. The participants were provided with different foods to eat over a 17-week period. During the later part of the study they had their blood pressure measured while they were fed a diet that was high in vitamin C (117 milligrams a day) for one month, then a diet that had very little (9 milligrams) for a second month, followed by the high C diet for a third month. The high C diet was associated with a reduction of about 1 mmHg of systolic pressure, and 2 mmHg of diastolic. There was also a correlation between the blood levels of vitamin C and blood pressure.

Doctor's Comments

The way this study was conducted enabled the detection of quite modest changes of pressure in response to the dietary changes. The changes are consistent with the findings of the DASH study, in which it was found that a diet rich in fruits and vegetables resulted in a modest reduction of blood pressure (in DASH, the biggest changes were seen when low-fat dairy products were added). The amount of vitamin C used in this study was not large, and the low and high intakes in the study were equivalent to a little less and a little more than what the average American consumes. The study did not investigate the effects of mega-doses of vitamin C -- some studies have used up to 2 or 3 grams (2000 to 3000 milligrams). An interesting aspect of the study is that African-Americans, who tend to have higher blood pressure than whites, also have somewhat lower blood levels of vitamin C (presumably because they eat less of it), so this may be one reason for the higher blood pressure in African-Americans than in whites. Of all the supplements that people commonly take, vitamin C is the only one for which there is consistent evidence that it lowers the blood pressure.

Source: Block, G et al. Ascorbic acid status and subsequent diastolic and systolic blood pressure. Hypertension 2000; 37: 261.


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Niacin improves blood lipid profile

Niacin (nicotinic acid) was the first medication shown to improve the pattern of lipid changes in the blood, which contribute to the development of atherosclerosis. However, in spite of its proven effectiveness, it has not been widely used because of concerns about its side effects, which are of two types - symptomatic (mainly flushing) and asymptomatic (changes that show up on blood tests). To avoid these problems, several long-acting slow-release preparations have been developed, with varying success.

One that does appear to be promising is Niaspan, which is formulated to be taken at night, the time when our bodies make most of the cholesterol that is in our blood. A trial investigated the effects of Niaspan given in doses starting at 375 milligrams every night and gradually increasing to 3,000 milligrams. It was given to 87 patients who had high blood lipids (cholesterol and triglycerides) and compared with 44 patients who were given inert placebo pills. The duration of the trial was 25 weeks, with the dose being increased every four weeks.

The main finding was that the Niaspan resulted in a steady improvement in the blood lipid profile that became progressively better with the higher doses, although the maximum benefit was achieved with the 2,500-milligram dose. At this dose, the following changes were seen:

* LDL cholesterol decreased 22%
* HDL cholesterol increased 30%
* Triglycerides decreased 39%

All of these are beneficial effects. Eight of the 84 patients discontinued the study because of flushing. The interesting thing here was that two-thirds (68%) of the patients reported some flushing with the 500-milligram dose but only 22% with the 3,000-milligram dose. The most likely explanation for this is that flushing wears off after people have been taking the pills for several weeks.

The asymptomatic side effects were generally slight. Although there were some increases in the liver enzymes, these did not reach more than three times the upper limit of the normal values for these tests, which is interpreted as meaning that there was no liver damage. Uric acid levels increased from 5.3 to 7.0 mg/dl. There was, however, a decrease of the blood platelet count of about 15%, which could be of concern in people who have low platelet counts to begin with.

Doctor's comments

This study suggests that when taken as Niaspan, niacin can be a very effective and reasonably well tolerated preparation for lowering cholesterol and triglyceride levels, as well as raising HDL cholesterol. People should be aware that some flushing is to be expected in the early days of taking Niaspan, but that this will wear off with time. As with the statin drugs, the most widely used drugs for lowering cholesterol, blood tests should be taken at regular intervals when taking Niaspan. It is reassuring that the changes in liver enzymes were not a problem.

Where it was published

A Goldbeg and colleagues. Multiple-dose efficacy and safety of an extended-release form of Niacin in the management of hyperlipidemia. American Journal of Cardiology 2000; 85:1100.

[Equalizer]

Re: HOW DO I LOWER MY BL

Lower sodium intake will def help blood pressure, i was getting nosebleeds awhile back when on and it was directly because of high sodium foods i was eating, when i cut them out it went away.