cholesteral?????

[cockjohnson]

I got a problem! My ldl is great but my hdl is horrible, it is 14 and should be at least 60. Any feed back would be great, i am on enath and tren and winn and is this something that will clear up soon as i go off in 3 weeks? thanks CJ

[Joe Mamas Mama]

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I can relate. Although my Cholesterol was never great (220-260) on cycle, this last check was all screwed up!!. 316 total with each portion messed up. I was taking test and tren.1st time on the tren. Maybe a reason for the extreme numbers. I'm on a med now and dropped me to 165 in about 6 weeks. Numbers still messed up a little bit. just started Tren again but I'm going to eat better this cycle and recheck a month after getting off. I'm supposed to get it rechecked tomorrow. I'll post the results.

[HungarianBeast]

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I got a problem! My ldl is great but my hdl is horrible, it is 14 and should be at least 60. Any feed back would be great, i am on enath and tren and winn and is this something that will clear up soon as i go off in 3 weeks? thanks CJ

Did you have it checked at your doctor?

[cockjohnson]

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yes and very worried?????

[mick-G]

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Ive had good sucess with Red Yeast Rice. I take 1 cap 600mg in the morning and another with evening meal. It went down 75 points. I also watch sat fats and simple sugars.

[Joe Mamas Mama]

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I'm sure it is related to the Tren IMO. Take some OTC supplements and have it rechecked 3 weeks after your off. If its down ANY, recheck it 3 weeks later. You should be fine unless you have eaten like crap for years as well as a family history.

[HungarianBeast]

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yes and very worried?????

So, what did your doctor say?

[geesler]

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Niacin!

Niacin- it greatly helps with cholesterol lowering. B3 is a potent cholesterol-lowering agent and rivals some prescription drugs effectiveness against cholesterol. They even came out with time release prescriuption Niacin for doctors to prescribe to patients with high c holesterol. (Niaspan) The only diff with that and Niacin is it s time release. You do have to take a lot of it and throughout the day (a daily therapeutic dose of 1,000 mg or more) to get its effects working optimally. Side effects will be flushes and paper skin. (skin may feel dry or tight)

You have to get Nicotinic acid rather than Niacinamide for it to effect cholesterol.

Heres the skinny:

Niacin is needed to release energy from carbohydrates. It is also involved in controlling blood sugar, keeping skin healthy, and maintaining the proper functioning of the nervous and digestive systems.
Prevention: High doses of niacin raise HDL ("good") cholesterol, while lowering LDL ("bad") cholesterol and triglyceride levels. In fact, studies show that niacin may be more effective than prescription cholesterol-lowering drugs in reducing the risk of heart disease, mainly because it is one of the few agents known to boost HDL. The cholesterol-lowering forms of niacin are nicotinic acid and inositol hexaniacinate. Although both are effective, inositol hexaniacinate is a safer form to use because it doesn't cause skin flushing and is less likely to cause liver damage.

Additional benefits: Niacin relaxes blood vessels, and so is useful for circulatory problems, such as intermittent claudication (a painful cramping in the calf caused by poor blood circulation that often occurs after walking), and Raynaud's disease (a disorder characterized by numbness and often pain in the hands or feet when exposed to cold). Inositol hexaniacinate is the preferred form to use for these conditions.

Niacin also helps foster healthy brain and nerve cells, and some evidence indicates that niacinamide can ease depression, anxiety, and insomnia. Niacinamide seems to have an anti-inflammatory effect, which may benefit those with rheumatoid arthritis; it may also help heal damaged cartilage, potentially valuable for osteoarthritis. High doses of niacinamide may reverse the development of type 1 diabetes -- the form that typically appears before age 30 -- if it is given early enough. This therapy should be tried only with medical supervision.

How much you need: The RDA for niacin is 14 mg for women and 16 mg for men daily. But far higher doses are required to lower cholesterol and treat other disorders.

If you get too little: A slight niacin deficiency will cause patches of irritated skin, appetite loss, indigestion, and weakness. Severe deficiencies (practically nonexistent in industrialized countries) result in pellagra, a debilitating disease. Symptoms include a rash in areas exposed to sunlight, vomiting, a bright red tongue, fatigue, and memory loss.

Drug and Food Interactions: Do not take Niacin without talking to your doctor first if you are taking:

Cholesterol lowering medicine (examples: atorvastatin (Lipitor(R)), colestipol (Colestid(R)), cholestyramine (Questran(R)), simvastatin (Zocor(R)), pravastatin (Pravachol(R)))
Carbamazepine (Tegretol(R))
Nicotine (or if you are a smoker)
Herbs such as chaparral, comfrey, germander, jin bu huan, kava, valerian, skullcap, or pennyroyal (even in a tea form)
Warnings:

Before taking Niacin, tell your doctor if you are pregnant or breastfeeding
Do not take Niacin if you have liver disease (9,10)
Do not take Niacin if you have stomach ulcers (2)
Do not take Niacin with alcohol (11)
Side Effects: Stop taking your medicine right away and talk to your doctor if you have any of the following side effects. Your medicine may be causing these symptoms which may mean you are allergic to it.

Breathing problems or tightness in your throat or chest
Chest pain
Skin hives, rash, or itchy or swollen skin
Other Possible Side Effects: You may have the following side effects, but this medicine may also cause other side effects. Tell your doctor if you have side effects that you think are caused by this medicine.

Blood sugar changes (12)
Blood pressure and heart rhythm (heartbeat) changes (1)
Dizziness (1)
Liver problems (12,13)
Skin flushing (redness of skin) and a feeling of warmth (2,12)
Skin rash with or without itching and tingling (2)
Stomach ulcers, diarrhea, jaundice (yellow skin), vomiting (throwing up), and stomach pain (12)

References:
1. Product Information: Nicolar(R), niacin. Rhone-Poulenc Rorer Pharmaceuticals, Fort Washington, PA; 1996.
2. Anon: Drug Facts and Comparisons. Facts and Comparisons Inc, St Louis, MO; 1999.
3. Cohen L & Morgan J: Effectiveness of individualized long-term therapy with niacin and probucol in reduction of serum cholesterol. J Fam Pract 1988; 26:145-150.
4. Taketomo CK, Hodding JH & Kraus DM: Pediatric Dosage Handbook, 5th ed. Lexicomp, Hudson, Ohio; 1998:783.
5. Darras BT, Ampola MG, Dietz WH et al: Intermittent dystonia in Hartnup disease. Pediatr Neurol 1989; 5:118-120.
6. Product Information: Lipitor(TM), atorvastatin. Parke-Davis, Morris Plains, NJ; 1996.
7. Product Information: Baycol(TM), cerivastatin sodium. Bayer Corporation, West Haven, CT; 1997.
8. Rockwell KA: Potential interaction between niacin and transdermal nicotine (letter). Ann Pharmacother 1993;27:1283-1284.
9. Patterson DJ, Dew EW, Gyorkey F et al: Niacin hepatitis. South Med J 1983; 76:240-241.
10. Crouse JR III: New developments in the use of niacin for treatment of hyperlipidemia: new considerations in the use of an old drug. Coronary Artery Disease 1996; 7:321-326.
11. Schwab RA & Bachhuber BH: Delirium and lactic acidosis caused by ethanol and niacin co-ingestion. Am J Emerg Med 1991; 9:363-365.
12. Figge HL, Figge J, Souney PF et al: Nicotinic acid: a review of its clinical use in the treatment of lipid disorders. Pharmacotherapy 1988; 8:287-294.
13. Product Information: Niaspan(R), niacin, extended release tablet. Kos Pharmaceuticals, Miami, FL; 1997.
14. Donowitz M, Wicks J & Sharp GW: Drug therapy for diarrheal diseases: a look ahead. Rev Infect Dis 1986; 8(suppl 2): S18-S20.
15. O'Hara JO, Jolly PN, Nicol CG: The therapeutic efficacy of inositol nicotinate (Hexopal(R)) in intermittent claudication: a controlled trial. Br J Clin Pract 1988; 42(9): 377-383.
16. Jonas WB, Rapoza CP & Blair WF: The effect of niacinamide on osteoarthritis: a pilot study. Inflamm Res 1996; 45(7): 330-334.
17. Pasternak RC, Brown LE, Stone PH et al: Effect of combination therapy with lipid-reducing drugs in patients with coronary heart disease and "normal" cholesterol levels: a randomized, placebo-controlled trial: Harvard Atherosclerosis Reversibility Project (HARP) study group. Ann Intern Med 1996; 125(7): 529-540.
18. Ding RW, Kolbe K, Merz B et al: Pharmacokinetics of nicotinic acid-salicylic acid interaction. Clin Pharmacol Ther 19889; 46(6): 642-647.
19. Anon: Lipid-lowering drugs. Med Lett Drugs Ther 1985; 27(695): 74-76.
20. Anon: Chaparral-induced toxic hepatitis - California and Texas, 1992. MMWR 1992; 41(43):812-814.
21. Anderson PC & McLean AEM: Comfrey and liver damage. Hum Toxicol 1989; 8:68-69.
22. Larrey D, Vial T, Pauwels A et al: Hepatitis after germander (Teucrium chamaedrys) administration: another instance of herbal medicine hepatotoxicity. Ann Intern Med 1992; 117:129-132.

[Phreak]

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nolvadex is good for the lipid profile

[edvedr]

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niacin is good for hdl but is liver toxic unless you get niaspam which is only prescription. cardio and drink alot of orange juice NOT from concentrate. 1 glass of red wine per day might help. and yes it SHOULD reverse once you come off. mine went under 10 and were fine after i came off, but continue to check and make sure.

[geesler]

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niacin is good for hdl but is liver toxic unless you get niaspam which is only prescription. cardio and drink alot of orange juice NOT from concentrate. 1 glass of red wine per day might help. and yes it SHOULD reverse once you come off. mine went under 10 and were fine after i came off, but continue to check and make sure.

Niapsan is Nicotinic Acid, you can get Niacin in the form of Nicotinic acid OTC ansd have the same benefits (NOT the Niacinamide, Nicotinamide , and Inositol Hexaniacinate forms of B3.) The only diff. in Niaspan VS Nicotinic Acid is the time release agent. Liver toxicity with the immediate release nicotinic acid is "usually mild".

[Equalizer]

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niacin made my skin burn.

[edvedr]

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^^i didn't know that, thanks!.......geesler

[geesler]

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niacin made my skin burn.

That means you are getting enough

[geesler]

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^^i didn't know that, thanks!.......geesler

No Problem! Glad to have some input to share.

Before starting a nicain regimine (ESPECIALLY) without being under Dr. supervision for it, it is quite important to get liver values before and during at some point also