gyno help

[lxorl]

quick history... only listing relivant cycles.

maybe 4 years ago i ran

Fina - 1CC Ed
EQ - 400mg weed
NO anti E.... 10 weeks... no gyno troubles

3 years ago

Fina 1CC ED
Prop 750mg Week
No anti E
Got minor gyno... puffy nipples and a small lump on one side... all signs didnt show up until the cycle was coming to an end.

Currently going into week 4 of the same cycle as above.. with milder dosages.

Fina - 1.5CC EOD
Prop - 1CC EOD

I started to notice the same lump flairing up about a week ago and added nolva at 20mgED... and have continude to increase it... Taking about 80ED for the past couple of days. my plan was 2 more months... dropping the Prop the last month. My real goal is leaning out, which i get great from fina. I am considering droping the prop now , because the gyno is a risk im not wanting to play with.

My question for experienced users is... do you think the gyno flair up is just the normal estrogen induced flair up that many get and subsides after? I am guessing its unlikely the tren causing it since i have used tren alone in the past at higher dosages with no problem?? I guess the question is what is the posibility it is the tren. I would hate to drop the prop... only to find out it is infact the tren causing it. I would be fine just finnishing out my cycle with tren alone.

[Phreak]

Re: gyno help

since you are running tren, which is a progesterone derivative, you may be experiencing prolactin induced gyno. this can be controlled with either dostinex or bromo OR you can just run about 600mg of vitamin B-6 a day. this will completely suppress prolactin levels in your blood. i always take it when using progesterone derivatives (deca, tren.)

nolvadex/clomid/arimidex will not helo you with this problem; they have no effect on prolactin. you are probably just sensitive to prolactin levels.

go to the grocery- 300 200mg B-6 tabs are like $4.

[lxorl]

Re: gyno help

i am taking B6. I dont really think its the tren because i have run it alone no problem. Im guessing the prop is irritating existing gyno.

since you are running tren, which is a progesterone derivative, you may be experiencing prolactin induced gyno. this can be controlled with either dostinex or bromo OR you can just run about 600mg of vitamin B-6 a day. this will completely suppress prolactin levels in your blood. i always take it when using progesterone derivatives (deca, tren.)

nolvadex/clomid/arimidex will not helo you with this problem; they have no effect on prolactin. you are probably just sensitive to prolactin levels.

go to the grocery- 300 200mg B-6 tabs are like $4.

[Slightly Enhanced]

Re: gyno help

lxorl, I am not even close to being an expert and I haven't used Tren before, but it is quite possible that the gyno is caused from the Prop. My best guess is the Prop is causing or at least agitating the gyno and this assumption is based your history. 700 of Prop is a heavy cycle of Test

I think I would lower the dose of both to about 75mgs a week for about two weeks and then re-evaluate. 75mgs of Test is about the normal production of Test in males.

Sorry I can't be more help. Hopefully someone with more experience will chime in.

[mick-G]

Re: gyno help

Id cut back on the Tren to about 1cc eod and and the Prop to 75mg eod and get some bromo.

[Testify]

lxorl, i was having gyno problems a few months ago, and started a good thread on it here. I solicited advice from everyone I thought knew anything and researched on several sites. In the end, Pheedno advised me to try Letro in conjuntion with Tamoxifen. I Ran 2.5mg Letro and 80mg Tamox for about 3 months, tapering off of the Letro at the end. I am still taking the Tamox, because Of evidence that it continues to work on reduction over long periods of time.

I meant to update that thread eventually, but I forgot about it. So here are my results. I began with two lumps and some fatty tissue (not sure how much). I am finishing with one very small (not noticeable) lump on one side and some fatty tissue still remains. I am not sure how much of this is gyno, because I have been getting fat the last 3 months with a painful abdominal strain - I have not been exercising at all. But I can say for sure that I saw good results on this protocol. Try it, it may work for you too. And check out my earlier post - try searching "letro+gyno." There was some good discussion.

[Testify]

Sorry, I should have read the posts before replying. I agree with most of what was said here already. I think 600mg B6 ED and 80mg Nolva should stop the gyno from progressing.

[lxorl]

I am dropping the test all together. I was not looking for size from this cycle, and only intended to run the test another few weeks anyway. I am pretty sure the gyno is being reagitated from the test. I do well on tren alone and was mainly running this cycle to lean out and harden up, which i can do on tren alone.

I just wante afirmation from some people that they thoguht the gyno was being agrivated by the prop and not the tren.

[Phreak]

edit... i see you are dropping the prop

[HungarianBeast]

Yeah, just drop the prop and see what happens. Keep up the B6 and nolva. Keep us posted.

[geesler]

... I began with two lumps and some fatty tissue (not sure how much). I am finishing with one very small (not noticeable) lump on one side and some fatty tissue still remains.

The fatty tissue is probbly normal, for some (ie. me) the body likes to store its fat on the sides/lovehandls and lower pec area. Directly underneath my pecs can be tight as hell and still I can pinch an inch on my lower chest, jsut like on my love handles. Theres been many times I've sat there pinching it wondering if it is gyno, and still wonder sometimes.. I thnk it is just normal fat though although its easier to worry.

Good luck lxorl and keep us posted!

[TRAM]

MY BRO HAD SOME GYNO, HE EVEN LET ME FEEL IT! LOL. HE CONTINUED THE REST OF HIS CYCLE, DURING THE CYCLE HE UPPED HIS NOLVA TO 30mg AND STARTED TAKING PROVIRON, WHEN HIS CYCLE ENDED HE CONTINUED THE NOLVA EVENTUALLY DROPPING IT DOWN TO 10mg A DAY ONCE IT STARTED GOING DOWN AND SOON WENT AWAY, IT WORKED FOR HIM, HIS CYCLE WAS ABOUT 18 WKS AND STARTED UPPING HIS NOLVA 1/2 WAY THRU. GOOD LUCK.