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**muscle_n_blood** · 05-05-2005, 10:01 PM

Re: Help With My Sustanon/Deca/HGH Cycle

Looks like a helluva run, dude. Good lookin cycle. Doseages may be a bit high, but no problem with the structure of it. I personally don't believe in "the cycle to end all cycles" What happens after that? Do you have the perfect physique that you can maintain with a few pushups and crunches a week? Nope. I'm 52, still bangin' away, and still haven't found any miracles. I believe in consistent training, good food, and smart supplementation/enhancement..

**ssgeek** · 05-05-2005, 10:36 PM

Re: Help With My Sustanon/Deca/HGH Cycle

I agree w/muscle_n_blood. Consider this:

Weeks 1-15 Sust 750 EW
Weeks 1-15 Deca 400/450 EW
weeks 1-15 GH 4iu 5 on, 2 off

Your diet looks great - you've thought about this, obviously.

The only thing that concerns me is your training. I'm worried about you overtraining. If you're not overtraining, at least, I'm quite sure that we could come up with a training regimen that's more efficient, ie, 3 or 4 day split, hitting each major muscle group 2x/week.

What do you think?

**Farrar** · 05-05-2005, 11:07 PM

Re: Help With My Sustanon/Deca/HGH Cycle

It might be best to try a different training schedule. I have used this particular regiment for nearly a year now and seem to be "stuck" in a rut. Maybe this:

Monday..........Chest/Shoulders/Tris
Tuesday.........Back and Biceps
Wednesday.....Legs
Thursday........***OFF***
Friday.............Chest/Shoulders/Tris
Saturday.........Back and Biceps
Sunday...........Legs

I am entirely open to suggestions on training. I beleive I may have overtrained the last time a did a cycle. I used the schedule first mentioned and was in the gym hitting it heavy for about 60-75 minutes each day and usually 90 minutes on arm day. And, I was only getting about 6 hours of sleep each night. The Sustanon was making it hard for me to sleep. I would get in bed at 10:00 p.m., wake up about 1:30 a.m., get back to sleep about 2:30 a.m., and get up for work around 4:30 or 5:00 a.m.

I just feel like I have to hit it 150% when I am in the gym to get results. I have heard that there is no such thing as overtraining just under recupperating {Lee Priest} but I am not so sure about that. On my average workout...if I work out Monday that muscle is too sore to touch on Wednesday and the soreness is usually gone by Saturday.

Thanks for the help guys! I want to get the most out of this one as it's costing me a few dollars.

Farrar

**diggi** · 05-05-2005, 11:44 PM

Re: Help With My Sustanon/Deca/HGH Cycle

Bro, only 1 day of rest ?? not good..

**Farrar** · 05-06-2005, 12:15 AM

Re: Help With My Sustanon/Deca/HGH Cycle

Well...what about this:

Monday..........Chest/Shoulders/Tris
Tuesday.........Back and Biceps
Wednesday.....Legs
Thursday........***OFF***
Friday.............Chest/Shoulders/Tris
Saturday.........Back and Biceps
Sunday...........***OFF***

Thanks!

Farrar

**SMILEY FACE** · 05-06-2005, 09:42 AM

Re: Help With My Sustanon/Deca/HGH Cycle

Originally posted by Farrar

I plan to run my cycle for 15 weeks. I am planning to do HGH for the 1st time. My plans are to do 4 IU per day Monday-Friday whilst taking the weekends off. I plan to use three 100iu kits by Gene Science so that should work out exactly right. I have enough Organon Sustanon and Deca to do 1,000 mg of Sustanon weekly and 600 mg of Deca weekly as well. I will be training Monday through Friday hitting one muscle group daily averaging 15 sets. I will be doing 5 exercises for each muscle and 3 sets on each exercise. Reps will be in the 8-6-4 range as the sets progress. My schedule is:
Monday……….Chest
Tuesday………Back
Wednesday…..Shoulders
Thursday……...Legs
Friday………….Biceps and Triceps

Diet
Farrar

that is excatly my work out, expect i do legs on wenesday and shoulders and thursday....
u are using high androgen wt the growth... and u are gonna blow up like a tic...
everyting looks good to me.....

**SMILEY FACE** · 05-06-2005, 09:43 AM

Re: Help With My Sustanon/Deca/HGH Cycle

Originally posted by ssgeek

I agree w/muscle_n_blood. Consider this:

Weeks 1-15 Sust 750 EW
Weeks 1-15 Deca 400/450 EW
weeks 1-15 GH 4iu 5 on, 2 off

Your diet looks great - you've thought about this, obviously.

?

that dosage looks good as well, i agree with him....

**MaxSwells** · 05-06-2005, 12:46 PM

Re: Help With My Sustanon/Deca/HGH Cycle

Jinos are a bit weak, imho...@ 4ius u will not notice much Gh induced growth or huge pumps...I would say a good range is 5 to 6 iu 5days on/2 off...Trust me, there is a big difference in how u feel the Gh after the 5 iu mark...and also use BAC water, it will reduce joint pain... .02c

**SMILEY FACE** · 05-06-2005, 04:16 PM

Re: Help With My Sustanon/Deca/HGH Cycle

yes not as good as the E LILLY but it will work though

**SMILEY FACE** · 05-06-2005, 04:16 PM

Re: Help With My Sustanon/Deca/HGH Cycle

for the first time user, 4ius is enough

**Farrar** · 05-06-2005, 09:04 PM

Re: Help With My Sustanon/Deca/HGH Cycle

I plan to take your advice and reduce my Sustanon and Deca to 750mg/week and 450mg/week respectively. That would allow me to run the cycle for 20 weeks with what I have on hand.

My question now is this: Would there be a major difference in reducing the HGH from 4 iu/day {5 days on and off on the weekend} to 3iu per day? This would allow me to run the HGH for 20 weeks as well. Or, do you think I’d be better off to leave the daily dosage at 4iu? The reason I ask is because a friend of mine who is much more experienced in the gym and with chemical enhancements finished up a kit of the same HGH and he was doing only 2iu EOD. That was his first time with HGH and he said it was awesome at only 6iu-8iu per week.

Thanks guys,

Farrar

**mick-G** · 05-06-2005, 09:06 PM

Re: Help With My Sustanon/Deca/HGH Cycle

Bro, i know you have alot of cycles under you, but you sure at your age you want to still take the Deca?? Im 46 and last time it shut me down for quite some time, and at 600mg/wk ??? Unless you are one of the rare ones that don't get shut down. No more Deca for me, i only add EQ with cycles now other than orals, and some tri tren down the road.

**Farrar** · 05-06-2005, 10:05 PM

Re: Help With My Sustanon/Deca/HGH Cycle

I had decided,earlier in the thread, to take the advice given and drop the Deca to 450/mg week. I have never really had any problems with Deca. I used 300mg stacked with 500mg of Sustanon for my 1st ever cycle and used it in the middle of 2003 at 600mg/week with no problems. My post usually consists of clomid@100mg/day for 6 weeks along with 80 mcg of clen. I guess I am one of the lucky ones when it comes to that as I have never noticed any problems ending a cycle. And, I usually run them anywhere from 16-26 weeks.

Thanks for the concerns, though. I appreciate it. I have been frequenting this board for some time now {2003} and it's got to be the best board on the net. Some of these guys feel like family even though I've never seen their faces. And flaming folks is non existent. Everyone here is just a "class act". Great group of people!

Thanks...

Farrar

**ssgeek** · 05-06-2005, 11:55 PM

Re: Help With My Sustanon/Deca/HGH Cycle

Originally posted by mick-G

Bro, i know you have alot of cycles under you, but you sure at your age you want to still take the Deca?? Im 46 and last time it shut me down for quite some time, and at 600mg/wk ??? Unless you are one of the rare ones that don't get shut down. No more Deca for me, i only add EQ with cycles now other than orals, and some tri tren down the road.

man that scares me! I'm 41, and so far, in my limited experience w/Deca, as long as my test levels are high enough, I'll be ok. However, I ALWAYS have some Vitamin Cialis on hand, just in case!

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