Keeping my gains?

[Harry Tasker]

Re: Keeping my gains?

For my first cycle wouldn't Sustanon 250 be better then Test E??? A friend gave me chart on strenghts and weakness's of both compounds. Sus 250 scored 1 point on weight gain/muscle mass, 1 point lower on side effects and 1 point higher on keeping gains then Test E did. WHAT do u guys think???

[Harry Tasker]

Re: Keeping my gains?

bump to my Question above

[SMILEY FACE]

Re: Keeping my gains?

For my first cycle wouldn't Sustanon 250 be better then Test E??? A friend gave me chart on strenghts and weakness's of both compounds. Sus 250 scored 1 point on weight gain/muscle mass, 1 point lower on side effects and 1 point higher on keeping gains then Test E did. WHAT do u guys think???

No since Sust has 4 different esters and going to spike up ur level up and down(and gonna require more frequent shots), on the other hand, test E will keep ur blood level stable all the way through out ur cycle....

[Harry Tasker]

Re: Keeping my gains?

No since Sust has 4 different esters and going to spike up ur level up and down(and gonna require more frequent shots), on the other hand, test E will keep ur blood level stable all the way through out ur cycle....

Test E it is then

[mick-G]

Re: Keeping my gains?

Were do you come up with the spiking Mikey?? You have no probs with the Oma's do you, lol!? If you take the Sust e3d or eod, you should have no probs, and ive know bros to get a good size gain off it. At any rate Adam, you will love the enathate for a first cycle. If you use proper pct, diet and training there is no reason that will not retain at least half if not more of your gains. I usually go with Clomid 300-100-50 for 28-30 days and use creatine, NAC for cell recovery or use glutathione instead of the precurser, b-12 or course, proviron, and of course my regular supplements.

[ssgeek]

Re: Keeping my gains?

test is test is test

[Gooseneck]

Re: Keeping my gains?

I thought you run HCG during the cycle to keep the testies from atrophying and the luetenizing (?) hormones working ?? Also, cant he run like 10 mg of Nolva during the cycle to help with some of the water weight that test puts on as well as possible gyno ??

[Prion]

Re: Keeping my gains?

I just haven't seen them used all together in PCT. DHEA is a sex hormone precursor, but I have not done the research to see if it is effective supplementing it if natural production is not up yet.

I thought I read somewhere that HCG is not wise to use during PCT, but for the life of me, I can not remember why. I have a bad memory. Maybe someone will chime in on this.

Something for the DHEA: http://www.quackwatch.org/search/web...D=1&query=dhea

I agree that HCG should be used during the cycle. Its "rough" on the testicals to just hit them with HCG after they have been dormant for a period of time.

[Harry Tasker]

Re: Keeping my gains?

I thought you run HCG during the cycle to keep the testies from atrophying and the luetenizing (?) hormones working ?? Also, cant he run like 10 mg of Nolva during the cycle to help with some of the water weight that test puts on as well as possible gyno ??

yeah, should i use Nolva during the cycle to help with water retention and gyno???

[mick-G]

Re: Keeping my gains?

How many mg's wk are you going to run of the enathate? I personally wouldn't go over 500mg/wk. I don't think you'll need nolva for this one, but keep it on had. Ive don't .25mg eod of ldex and it works well or aroma @ 12.5 mg eod. Helps with the water retention, and estrogen.

[Harry Tasker]

Re: Keeping my gains?

How many mg's wk are you going to run of the enathate? I personally wouldn't go over 500mg/wk. I don't think you'll need nolva for this one, but keep it on had. Ive don't .25mg eod of ldex and it works well or aroma @ 12.5 mg eod. Helps with the water retention, and estrogen.

im just following ur guys advice and researching here and there on other sites

[SMILEY FACE]

Re: Keeping my gains?

Were do you come up with the spiking Mikey?? You have no probs with the Oma's do you, lol!? If you take the Sust e3d or eod, you should have no probs, and ive know bros to get a good size gain off it. At any rate Adam, you will love the enathate for a first cycle. If you use proper pct, diet and training there is no reason that will not retain at least half if not more of your gains. I usually go with Clomid 300-100-50 for 28-30 days and use creatine, NAC for cell recovery or use glutathione instead of the precurser, b-12 or course, proviron, and of course my regular supplements.

coz of the propioante in it......but since i'am doing 4amps a week (1000 mg), i'am fine but wt 500, not gonna be as good as teh enanthate since ur blood level remains the same(stable)...that is what i meant....

[Harry Tasker]

Re: Keeping my gains?

I agree, with the exception of rating it for its ability to keep gains. It's not up to par with HGH, which actually helps create new cells, versus "inflating" existing cells, as is the case w/Test.

Here's my PCT (thanks to my bro, Del)

First off keep your cycles to no longer than 10-12weeks.
Get the majority of your gains in the first 6weeks.
Taper off the last two weeks with test prop only to allow for the halflife of longer esters.

For PCT:
Depending upon your cycle, HCG may or may not be necessary... if you are running reasonable dosages and are young you probably will not need it. but if you've got a few cycles under your belt and are running higher dosages or are running very androgenic drugs such as tren, HCG is an excellent addition. the following PCT is for such a cycle.

HCG at 2500 IU every 4days for 16days.
50mg of clomid for 30days.
20mg of nolvadex for 45days.
500mg Dhea for 30days.
20g of glutamine at a min.
high protein intake.
clenbuterol run for 45days (run with ketotifen)

Keep the weights up, train less, rest more... and EAT... diet is for later. if you follow this, you will not only keep your hard earned gains but if done properly you will gain weight.

Im gonna run a Test E cycle at 500mg a week for 10 weeks. Should I use this PCT above minus HCG, Im not sure what that is. Looking for Vets and mods advice here

[SMILEY FACE]

Re: Keeping my gains?

if u are running 500 mg of enan and since u are dropin teh hcg....
run clomid and that should be enough and u can use clen as well

[Harry Tasker]

Re: Keeping my gains?

if u are running 500 mg of enan and since u are dropin teh hcg....
run clomid and that should be enough and u can use clen as well

what is hcg and why do i need it?