One cycle only, need serious replies please

[UncleSeven]

Me and my brother are training partners. I've done two cycles, while he's always resisted the urge to juice. Now he want's to do a cycle, and only one. He want's to put on as much mass as possible and wants me to put a cycle together for him. I was thinking about a cycle almost like the gramabol(3g frontload wk 1,1g/wk for 9 wks. with nolva then clomid) but a bit different. Here it is:
2000mg enanthate wk 1
1000mg enanthate /wk 2-10
75mg proviron ed wk. 1-12
50mg of tren or winny/ed wk 7-12
20mg nolva ed wk 1-16
2mg ******** ed wk 1-12
400mg/clomid 1st day then 100mg next 20 days wk 13-16

I threw in the proviron to free up as much test as possible. The tren or winny to harden up some of the gains. Now I never told him about this cycle yet because I need some imput first. I'll probably get a lot of "you're nuts" but that's why I'm asking. How much calories and protein should be consumed on a cycle like this? Remember, he only wants to do one cycle and gain as much mass as possible, and I figured if you're only going to do one, might as well do it big. Any other cycle suggestions?

[Mike P.T.]

Saying he will only do one cycle is unrealistic. I am sure there are some of us that have(very very very) few but most people continue. Can you imagine if he did a cycle like this how much he would gain? Regardless of if his training and diet are shitty he will gain a shitload! Now can you imagine how addicted he MIGHT become after having taking all these drugs and seeing what it will do to him? Get where I'm going with this?

Tell him to start off light. 250-500mg test a week and that's it. Maybe add 15mg d-bol ed for the WHOLE cycle.(none of this 4 weeks crap) or add 200mg deca to it as well. Clomid post cycle and nolvadex in hand just in case. If he doesn't want any extra bloat whatsoever than .5mg arimidex eod will work well.

[BigSoda]

I think that is too much test for a 1st time user.

[BigSoda]

Mike PT do you think lower doseas of dbol for a longer duration are better than 40-50mgs for 4-5 weeks?And why?

[UncleSeven]

What kind of keepable gains could he expect with a good diet and hard training on a cycle like the one I suggested?

[Mike P.T.]

Originally posted by BigSoda
Mike PT do you think lower doseas of dbol for a longer duration are better than 40-50mgs for 4-5 weeks?And why?

I do because d-bol gives you gains through other pathways as well, like increased calcium retension among others. I figure if you were to use d-bol as a frontload(dumb idea because it works in other pathways as well) you are better off using the main base drug in a higher amount or using a faster acting ester of the base drug in the beginning. Start it from the beginning and you gain well off it. Then go off and lose it's benefits. True by then the longer acting esters would have kicked in and you should get gains regardless but why take something away when it can still give you continuous gains. Plus and this is a big plus d-bol increases dopamine levels like no other. The increased feeling of well being is because of this and it is proven to be fact.

[Mike P.T.]

Originally posted by THE BOUNCER
i don't agree with ya here brother. that all looks good on paper but from my own experiance, dbol gaines deminish after about 4-6 weeks.

I hear you. They lessen true, because the water retension is no longer gonna keep going up and up. The increased anabolic and calcium retaining as well as increased dopamine levels will still be doing it's good though in the body and over time will help the body build more solid mass. Not blow up anymore, but still give gains. Far too many people are concerned with just blowing up and when they see gains lessening they think the drug is no longer working. The body has a set limitation too you know.

[Disposable_Hero]

There is no way you need that much test. I think you would keep roughly the same amount of gains on the cycle you suggested as you would on say something like this:

Weeks 1-10: 500mg Test
Weeks 1-10: 400mg Deca
Weeks 7-12: 50mg Winny ED

He should be able to get 20-30lbs of keepable gains if he works his ass off...just how much weight is he looking to gain? Any more than 30lbs, and I dont think he would keep it very long because the body needs to get used to that much gain...I think he should consider doing two cycles...a mass cycle like I suggested, then a second cycle a few months later to solidify his gains..

D_H

[Skarn]

I agree with DH......he has a great first time cycle there.

[Tedmax195]

Originally posted by THE BOUNCER
first off hardly anyone does just one cycle. secondly, even if he were to do just one, there would be no need to use the amount you have posted above. he would grow just as well with 400mgs of test per week and 300mgs of deca. maybe 25mg of dbol a day for the first 4 weeks.

My thoughts exactly. Very Good point.

[thegame01]

thats just fucken insane imo.

He doesnt even know how his body will react ,start small and then increse it from there on the next cycles
why only one ? and beat the shit out of your body

Do more cycles and enjoy the benefits
i cant see myself ever doing those kinds of doses

GZ

[ELLAS]

Im with Mike, once you have come to the dark side theres no turning back!

[UncleSeven]

Thanks guys, I'm going to settle on a sane dosage of test(500mg)
and add 400mg eq and end it off with 50mg of fina ed. Keeping everything else the same. Should the test and eq be frontloaded and at what dosage and for how long?

[BigSoda]

I wouldn't bother to front load,with this being his 1st cycle what you have is fine,he should see great gains,good luck

[winnie]

Originally posted by UncleSeven
Thanks guys, I'm going to settle on a sane dosage of test(500mg)
and add 400mg eq and end it off with 50mg of fina ed. Keeping everything else the same. Should the test and eq be frontloaded and at what dosage and for how long?

No frontloading...if anything start with a bottle of prop EOD at 100mg, and have him use some liquidex.