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While test is test, the pharmacokinetics of different esters are different. I doubt there is much difference with eod injections with prop if the half life is 4.5 days. I kinda question the information on half life that steroid sites use cause for example cyp is said to have a half life of 12 days on steroid sites but medical text list it's half life as 8 days.
This article sheds some lite on what I'm thinking is going on.
The last paragraph alone pretty much backs my point.
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Lol, Ok Js i knew a simple explanation would not suffice. I will try to get into more specific data. Yes, test is test, but there are reasons why the long esters retain more water. I will see if i can find the data. If i can remember correctly it does have something to do with the life of the esters and the depot effect causing more of an andorgenic effect on the body. I will try to get the scientific data. Of course it is not a significant difference, but it is a big reason many bber's will use the prop in cutting phase or comp.
Cutting phases always include other gear like eq, tren, winny, var, etc. This is the reason for les watr weight mick. Go back and read the article stiles posted.
Government is not reason; it is not eloquent; it is force. Like fire, it is a dangerous servant and a fearful master. George Washington
I do not condone the use of, nor do I use anabolic or androgenic steroids. My participation on these boards is for informational purposes only. I have done extensive research of AAS and enjoy discussing them for role playing enjoyment.
Js, i know using win, eq , var etc will hold less water with prop but this is not what im talking about, lol! This is not the reason prop will give you less water retention than the long esters, and im not implying it will be a significant amount. I said i would find the info now give me some time.
Js, i know using win, eq , var etc will hold less water with prop but this is not what im talking about, lol! This is not the reason prop will give you less water retention than the long esters, and im not implying it will be a significant amount. I said i would find the info now give me some time.
Ok take your time damnit! lol
Government is not reason; it is not eloquent; it is force. Like fire, it is a dangerous servant and a fearful master. George Washington
I do not condone the use of, nor do I use anabolic or androgenic steroids. My participation on these boards is for informational purposes only. I have done extensive research of AAS and enjoy discussing them for role playing enjoyment.
You sure your not on test, lol! Im still trying, lol! I do now that many bber's notice less water that is why they use in cutting cycles with the orals and eq/tren. I will though try to find it. For many though it is a personal preference. It might also have to do with it being a short ester that it does not seem to have as much andro effect, iam not disagreeing that test is test. Sometimes it is hard to find the article your looking for.
You sure your not on test, lol! Im still trying, lol! I do now that many bber's notice less water that is why they use in cutting cycles with the orals and eq/tren. I will though try to find it. For many though it is a personal preference. It might also have to do with it being a short ester that it does not seem to have as much andro effect, iam not disagreeing that test is test. Sometimes it is hard to find the article your looking for.
Stop babbling and find the damn article mick!
Government is not reason; it is not eloquent; it is force. Like fire, it is a dangerous servant and a fearful master. George Washington
I do not condone the use of, nor do I use anabolic or androgenic steroids. My participation on these boards is for informational purposes only. I have done extensive research of AAS and enjoy discussing them for role playing enjoyment.
Ok, Js i been looking for hr. and i can't find the article, lol! I know i saw it. Anyway, i know it has to do with the short ester, but trust me you will retain less water with the prop then with cypionate or enantate, and i know you will tighten up even more when using with stan, eq, tren etc. Thats why ppl use it when on a cutting cycle. You can ask most experienced bber and they will tell you. Come on now i know you for one have used the prop for this reason, why else poke yourself, for sadistic fun?, lol!
Yes I have used prop before and have noticed a tightening effect while on it. However, I have always thought that to be due to the fast acting effectiveness. You may be right or I may be right but the only thing that makes sense to me is that it is test.
Government is not reason; it is not eloquent; it is force. Like fire, it is a dangerous servant and a fearful master. George Washington
I do not condone the use of, nor do I use anabolic or androgenic steroids. My participation on these boards is for informational purposes only. I have done extensive research of AAS and enjoy discussing them for role playing enjoyment.
when i switched from prop to cyp because my prop was ppainful i put on 7 pounds in a week and my diet did not change.
How long were you on prop for before switching and how much cyp did you take because 1 wk is pretty damn quick to see results like that from cyp.
Government is not reason; it is not eloquent; it is force. Like fire, it is a dangerous servant and a fearful master. George Washington
I do not condone the use of, nor do I use anabolic or androgenic steroids. My participation on these boards is for informational purposes only. I have done extensive research of AAS and enjoy discussing them for role playing enjoyment.
[QUOTE=mick-G]British Dragon very good stuff lol
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