Losing Test for Fat Loss...

[leankid]

Anybody got an article on this? I remember this being on the FAQ on a couple of boards, but I can't seem to find it anywhere lately. Trying to get it for a lifting partner of mine.

The article I was thinking about, if I remember correctly was talking about low dosages(I think 200-300mg/wk) and of course a strict, clean diet to combat bloat.

My buddy is a huge framed bro. He is probably 15-16% BF, but is not really concerned with being lean, just wants to trim up a little, but add even more mass. I think we're just gonna try it with somewhere between 300-400mg/wk and if he doesn't like the results he can diet and do it again! He would be happy with about 12-13%BF. IMHO he'd lose 3-4% body fat with any cycle that used test...


Thanks in advance bros!

[jack hust]

you can only lose bf threw diet test will help pereserve muscle while you diet but try test prop at 100mg eod

[goliath.jr]

Originally posted by jack hust
you can only lose bf threw diet test will help pereserve muscle while you diet but try test prop at 100mg eod

I don't really buy this man. I know that's what everyone says, but I decided to set out on my own and put that theory to the test a while back.

I did a VERY simple cycle consisting of 750mg sust, injecting Mon/Wed/Fri. For 12 weeks. Then I did winny the last 6 weeks @ 50mg ed.

My diet consisted of Taco Bell, Wendy's, Chineese buffet's, KFC, Subway, and Protien shakes. I gained about 15 lbs and dropped 2% BF. All I ate was jusnk and I ate a lot of it. If I would have kept the diet clean, my results would have been better, sure. But after my own little experiment, I don't believe that test does not aid fat loss.

[Drveejay11]

Originally posted by jack hust
you can only lose bf threw diet test will help pereserve muscle while you diet but try test prop at 100mg eod

BINGO!

[chaos mage]

Any firm proof yet if steroids are primarily anabolic or anti-catabolic? All I see are theories, no one really knows how the gear works.

[Alpine]

Most of the posts I have read tend to say they lose 2-5% BF. I have yet to read a post where someone says they gained blubber regardless of diet even if it was junk. Now posts are BS - nobody is gunna admit to a failed cycle where they gained mostly fat. Whats the real deal? Would a mod or vet clear this up? I know its all diet dependent. But wouldnt you say that in general most people trim up a little on a cycle no matter what it is (once the bloat goes away that is)?

[slobberknocker]

Ask any pro. He'll tell you that test is extremely thermogenic at doses upwards of a gram.

[the mechanic]

Originally posted by slobberknocker
Ask any pro. He'll tell you that test is extremely thermogenic at doses upwards of a gram.

This seems to be very true. I was told the same thing by a certain someone. I always ran lower, longer test cycles ( 400-600 mgs per week) and when I went to a gram or more, it did have effect on me in the evening hours...night sweats, ect.

[goliath.jr]

Originally posted by Alpine
Most of the posts I have read tend to say they lose 2-5% BF. I have yet to read a post where someone says they gained blubber regardless of diet even if it was junk. Now posts are BS - nobody is gunna admit to a failed cycle where they gained mostly fat. Whats the real deal? Would a mod or vet clear this up? I know its all diet dependent. But wouldnt you say that in general most people trim up a little on a cycle no matter what it is (once the bloat goes away that is)?

LOOK! I'm clearing it up right now! As I stated before, I have tried it for myself! Test aids fat loss - I don't give a shit what anyone else tells me - I have experienced it with my own body!

[BIG_GUNS_21]

Although diet is KEY! IMO useing gear does help in fat loss. It maintains/helps build lean muscle mass that increases the metabolism. This will aid in bodyfat loss IF THE DIET IS GOOD!

[Mike P.T.]

Originally posted by BIG_GUNS_21
Although diet is KEY! IMO useing gear does help in fat loss. It maintains/helps build lean muscle mass that increases the metabolism. This will aid in bodyfat loss IF THE DIET IS GOOD!

Steroids also have a nutrient partionining effect in that more of the nutrients is used to build more muscle or is burned up by the body rather than stored as bf. The body also stores more muscle glycogen independant of insulin secretion so less insulin secretion and less potential fat gain. Yes test does have a thermogenic effect on the body but for some individuals it can increase their chances of gaining more bf due to the conversion of test into estrogen via aromatization. Taking an anti-aromatise will solve this problem.

[leankid]

Here's the one I was thinking of, thanks Pits....


Here is an article for you.

Using Testosterone for Fat Loss
written by Micro


"Take some Primo and Equipoise and you’ll get ripped!" I hear people say this kind of thing all the time. Frankly I disagree. I’ll go so far as to say no steroid will ever burn the fat off you! In this article, I will offer you a strategy to safe and effective fat-loss. It’s not the only way to get ripped or design a cutting cycle, but in my opinion, it’s one of the best ways.

One of the first places you’ll need to look is at your diet. Without a good diet (and an ample cut in calories), you will not lose weight at an optimal rate. I suggest a ketogenic diet. The ideal diet for this cutting cycle would be one where no carbs are eaten at all. But since food is so yummy, I usually suggest a Bodyopus diet (5 days of no carbohydrates followed by 2 days of free eating). You should cut your calories to 90% of your Basal Metabolic Rate. Don’t worry if that sounds a little high on the calorie scale, the cardiovascular exercise you’ll be doing will bump up amount of calories burned.

Cardiovascular exercise is definitely suggested. I’m sick of people thinking they can do without cardio! Even if you’re not doing it for fat-loss, do it for your heart. Jeep Swenson’s famous quote "I never do cardio" springs to mind. He died of a heart attack by the way. Steroid users should pay much more attention to their heart’s health than the average man should. Testosterone is cholesterol after all. I suggest doing your cardio in the morning and on an empty stomach. My favorite is swimming. Research has shown swimming, cross-country skiing, and mountain climbing to be the best cardiovascular exercises out there. "What about running?" You ask. Running is great, but there are a few reasons I would shy away from it. For one, it is very taxing on your joints. There’s a lot of constant pounding on joints like your knees and ankles. Running also puts more of the burden on your legs. That means the quads and calves you worked so hard to build up may end up melting away at a faster rate.

Once your diet and cardio are in place, the next step is choosing the right drugs. As I stated earlier, no steroid will ever cause the fat to melt away! Sure some people see minor fat-loss that they attribute trenbolone or winstrol, but this is such a negligible amount that it is of no use to look at it any closer. Don’t get me wrong, I’m not saying that steroids have no place in a cutting phase. They sure as hell do! But they will not be your major fat-burning source. The fat melts away from the cardio, dieting, and the other fat-loss drugs that we will talk about later. The steroids are there to maintain your muscle mass and such.

Choosing the right juice to toss into a cutting phase shouldn’t be too hard of a choice. Just keep in mind that its only purpose is to maintain your muscle mass. Why people spend horrendous amounts of money on steroids like primobolan is beyond me. They won’t help burn the fat faster and they aren’t any better at maintaining your muscle. A simple juice like testosterone will maintain your muscle mass just fine. Doses as low as 250 mg a week are acceptable. But the fact remains that some people just don’t want testosterone in their cutting cycle. That’s ok. Personally I don’t use testosterone to cut either. After a while I just get this sick feeling from testosterone. It’s almost my body’s way of telling me I need a break. My cutting cycles are usually my break. Personally I like equipoise at 500 or so mg a week. It keeps the muscle on and I feel like I’m giving my body a rest from the heavy androgens. If you’re an athlete or are particularly interested in endurance, winstrol is another option. It increases your endurance like nothing else. But you have to think of your priorities. Winstrol costs quite an amount of money. Is it really worth it to you? Think about that. To me, it is. But then again, I’m an athlete not a bodybuilder. My sport requires a tremendous amount of endurance. When I do use winstrol, its usually about 500mg stacked with something like equipoise, trenbolone, and halotestin. Another option would be if you’re looking to gain strength during your cutting phase. Personally, I don’t know about that. You’ll be on a diet and doing heavy cardio, so you may want to save your strength cycle. But if you insist, I would suggest something like halotestin stacked with trenbolone and maybe some equipoise.

So to recap: If you’re main focus is just fat-loss with minimal muscle loss, stick with a low dose testosterone. Make sure to toss an anti-estrogen in there too. After all, who the hell wants to be bloated on a cutting cycle? This is your time to look good! 20mg of nolvadex a day should do plenty to counter low-dose testosterone’s bloat … that is if you even get any at freaking 250mg a week. You could also replace the testosterone with something like 500mg of equipoise a week, depending on your preference. If you’re looking to add endurance, toss some winstrol on top of your equipoise or testosterone base. 500mg of winstrol seems like a good number. If you’re looking to add strength, build on your eq/test base with some trenbolone and halotestin. 20-25mg of halotestin everyday with 100mg of tren every other day will do wonders.

Now on to what makes a cutting cycle a cutting cycle: fat-loss drugs. The two most popular substances are T3 and clen, stacked together to make a potent fat-burning combo. My views on the subject are going to be a little different than what some of you may be used to. First of all, I will not suggest a clen/T3 stack. My suggestion is just plain old T3. I experience so much fat-loss from the T3 alone, that I see no reason to add the clenbuterol in there. Add a diet and cardio into the mix, and clenbuterol is better saved for a different purpose (coming off a bulking cycle). The dose of T3 is another area in question. Personally, I suggest around 100mcg or so for around 4-5 weeks at a time. I know there are people out there that would disagree. Another newsletter has even suggested using as much T3 as you want and claims that prolonged exposure to T3 at high doses offers no real risk. The writer then goes on to make a challenge to anyone willing to disprove his theory. Well I’ve known way to many people who have had problems with T3 at higher doses. A friend of mine name Mike G. is on T3 for the rest of his fucking life for going high. When he first heard the news it shattered him. He stopped lifting weights all together. Couple that with the post-T3 crashes you will experience even if you don’t screw yourself, and prolonged T3 usage at higher doses is a damn stupid idea! I mean can you imagine eating 3 salads a day and still gaining fat!? Yes, it’s happened. Stay with a moderate dose and taper up and down. Don’t be lazy, do the cardio and diet right and you won’t need large amounts of T3.

One of the most important things to keep in mind is not letting yourself get caught up in the "glitter game". A lot of people get sooo excited planning their cycles that they need things like primo or some other exotic mix of juices to get turned onto the idea. Be sane. Use the right steroids, keep your doses of T3 safe, and do not cheat yourself on the diet and cardio. Good luck