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[edvedr]

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mikey it doesn't really take that long to be in you. its not like that entire shot sits there till the weeks pass, it just takes longer for ur receptors to fill and get max benift because the longer ester is spreading that dose out over a longer period of time. so u usually don't see results till they are more full. with a front load u fill them up quicker, therfore u get quicker results

[Got Gear?]

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So even for example test E is a long ester, so u are saying it will kick in faster if U INCREASE teh DOSAGE!!!!!!!! i think the opposite even if u take higher or lower doage, it is still gonna remains the amount of time to kick in.....

Nope. I think we need to discuss the principles of what a 1/2life is.

In terms of a steroid ester, 1/2life means the amount of time the drug is in your system before 1/2 of the hormone has been released into your bloodstream where it is quickly processed by the body. Keep in mind, it's the hormone in your bloodstream that makes you grow. After a single 1/2life 1/2 of the hormone is realeased into the bloodstream. The next 1/2life later 1/2 of what is remaining becomes released.

For example, say you do a single 100mg shot of a gear with a 1-week 1/2life. During the 1st week, 50mg of gear has been released into your blood stream. During the 2nd week, 1/2 of what is remaining has been released (25mg), the folowing week 12.5mg, etc. Your body sees the most hormone during the 1st week, not in the 4th week.

Now for our 2nd example: Same gear but weekly 100mg injections.
1st week 1/2 of 100mg is released into blood (50mg)
2nd week 1/2 of 100mg from new shot is released into blood, plus 1/2 of the 50mg left over from 1st week (50mg + 25mg = 75mg total)
3rd week 1/2 of 100mg from new shot is released into blood, plus 1/2 of the 50mg left over from 2nd week, plus 1/2 of the 25mg left over from 1st week (50mg + 25mg + 12.5mg= 87.5mg total)
4th week = 50mg +25mg + 12.5mg + 6.25mg (93.75mg)

At week #4 your body is still only seeing 93.75% of your total weekly dose.

Now let's use the same example, but frontload with 200mg.
1st week 1/2 of 200mg frontload shot is released into blood (100mg) leaving 100mg left over
2nd week 1/2 of 100mg weekly shot is released into blood + 1/2 of what's left over from week #1 (50mg + 50mg = 100mg)
3rd week 1/2 of 100mg weekly shot is released, + 1/2 of what's left over from 2nd week, plus 1/2 of what's left over from 1st week. (50mg + 25mg + 25mg =100mg)
4th week = 50mg + 25mg + 12.5mg + 12.5mg = 100mg
5th week = 50mg + 25mg + 12.5mg + 6.25mg + 6.25mg = 100mg

With example #2, your body is seeing 100mg every week right from the 1st week instead of having to build up to it.

It's a tricky thing to wrap your head around..

[edvedr]

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great post GG

[uwanafight2]

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fantastic post... lots of uninformed guys dont truly understand this fundamental aspect drug use. come to think about it.. everyone should read that twice, im gonna!
haha.
cya
UWANAFIGHT2

[SMILEY FACE]

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good post

[Got Gear?]

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good post

Thanks Mike, I hope it helped to explain why frontloading can be benificial.

[mick-G]

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Frontloading is just bringing up the receptors faster so you can start getting results sooner, but if you do a regular cycle your using less aas in the beginning, so in fact you'd have to run the cycle longer to achieve the same result. All depends on how you want to run your cycle.

[Gaul]

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Cycle looks great. Only thing to consider is I think sometimes with longer cycles it's a good idea to change up your gear every couple months, say for example halfway through dropping the eq and adding deca or tren. Just a thought. But I think you'll get good gains from what you have planned. Good luck.

[SMILEY FACE]

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Cycle looks great. Only thing to consider is I think sometimes with longer cycles it's a good idea to change up your gear every couple months, say for example halfway through dropping the eq and adding deca or tren. Just a thought. But I think you'll get good gains from what you have planned. Good luck.

eq and deca no way, but eq and tren are awesome

[MemphisRAGe]

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Hmm, the only thing that i bothers me about this theory is.. with say test cypionate, it has a full life of 16 days total, the way you guys are explaining it, you make it seem like it lasts and keeps goin and goin half by half. If you inject 100mg of cypionate, in the first week 50mg will be used, the second week only 25mg will be used..and in the third only 12.5 will be used. Your body doesnt know what half is, so it doesnt keep breaking it down half by half. The total life is only 16 days, its half life is 8 days...it takes 8 days for half of it to metabolise and another 8 days for the other half to metabolise, ..so correct me if im wrong but wouldnt this seem more logical.

wk 1 - 100mg test -50mg of that is used - 50mg goes to the next wk
wk 2 - 100mg test- 50mg is used plus add the other 50mg from wk 1 = 100mg
wk 3 - 100mg test- 50mg is used plus add the other 50mg from wk 2 = 100mg

so with the theory of front loading that say 1000mg shot of cyp will only last 16 days not 8-10 wks

[Got Gear?]

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Well memphis.. I don't know what you mean when you say "full life" Havn't heard the term before. Your body doesn't controll the breakdown process, it's a property of the drug.

And yes.. weeks later, a small amount will still be in your system. This is why Deca for example can be detected up to 18 MONTHS after a cycle.

Maybe Full life would mean that amount of time were a substansial amount of the drug remains? IE) At this point 90% of the drug has been metabolised?

[mick-G]

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I think what Memphis means is the active-half life of the particular ester. Just used the wrong term (full life).

[MemphisRAGe]

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What I meant by full life is, the full active life of the ester, its 16 for cyp, 10.5 for enanthate etc. It takes a full 16 days for the cyp to metobolise from the time it is injected, thats how they get the half life 8 days.When the half life hits, the ester doesnt recalibrate itself to only dispense half of whats remaining, it simply dispenses whats left over in another 8 days. inject 1000mg, you get 500mg first 8 days then the other 500 the remaining 8 days. Yes its true that you can detect deca up to 18 months later...same case with cyp..you can detect it for up for 3 months or more, but its only in your body at an active, useful level for bout 2-3 wks. I apologise for agueing but it just doenst seem right to me.
Im probably wrong, but it seems logical. Ill just have to do some more research!

[MemphisRAGe]

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I read an article that said the full active life of cypionate is 16 days, so once you inject say 200mg of cyp it will take 16 days for that full 200 to metobolise, im i right?

What it seems like to me, is that with this whole frontloading theory, the ative life of cyp is not 16days but 32+ days

[Got Gear?]

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If you were right, they wouldn't use the term 1/2life at all.

1/2 life has a very specific meaning.

Here's a couple of links to help explain:

http://www.epipro.com/defin.html

This one is looking at nuclear 1/2life, but it's basicaly the same thing: http://www.colorado.edu/physics/2000...ve_decay3.html
Here's a link to a graph. Again, they are looking at it from a nuclear/radioactive standpoint, but it's the same concept in drugs: http://hyperphysics.phy-astr.gsu.edu...ar/halfli.html

There are multiple different types of half-lives, but they all follow the same principle. They only differ when you look at the application. IE) Radioactive, Biological, etc..


For more info, just fire up google and do a search on "biological half life" You'll get all sorts of info.