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**SMILEY FACE** · 12-23-2004, 10:16 AM

Re: need help with igf-1 slin and gh cycle

ok for gh 4 ius a day, and weekend off (2 ius mornin, and 2ius after gym)
slin week 1 to week 5 on working out days only after lifting, start wt 2 ius and go up to 10 ius...
and for igf1, i never done it so i can't help u out there..... but i have heard aht slin and igf1 don't mix..... i dunno if taht is true or not....

**hydrajack** · 12-23-2004, 09:03 PM

Re: need help with igf-1 slin and gh cycle

Wow...My first post and I have to flame! Just kidding. But seriously, if you have read and researched, you really should not be asking...slin is BIG time shit. Anything else, you screw up, oh well, with slin you are dead...period.

You should know, I hope, that when taking slin, each person reacts differently. start with 2 iu's make SURE to consume AT LEAST 10 grams simple carbs and 10 grams protien for each iu you take IMMEDIATLY after the shot. Don't fuck around with this. You WILL go hypo and could have insulin shock coma death. Work your way up an iu every 2 days until you hit 8-10 iu's The slin is used to shuttle the converted sugar (glucose) to the fatigued muscles... best used within 1/2 hour of workout. After the shot, protein drink and carb consumption...(I like flavored creatine at 10 grams and n-lage. you get about 120 gms sugar) within 1 hour eat a good LEAN meal. Fat will turn to fat when usuing slin. be careful as you can get fat really fast on it. An hour or so later consome another drink with the proper sugars like before. eat another small laen mael or snack. be SURE that if you go out, to have simple sugars (candy bars etc...) with you as your body can react at anytime and you DON'T want to be stuck somewher going hypo with no sugar. Do NOT sleep with 4 hours of taking the slin...you could go into shock while asleep. my reccomendation is Humalog as it peaks once thgen again slighty a couple hours later and is in and out in a few hours. do not use one of the longer lasting insulins EVER!

Good luck and make sure to do your homework. going hypo is no fun...signs are sweating, sleepyness, blurred vision, dizzyness

**SMILEY FACE** · 12-24-2004, 10:03 AM

Re: need help with igf-1 slin and gh cycle

Originally posted by hydrajack

Wow...My first post and I have to flame! Just kidding. But seriously, if you have read and researched, you really should not be asking...slin is BIG time shit. Anything else, you screw up, oh well, with slin you are dead...period.

You should know, I hope, that when taking slin, each person reacts differently. start with 2 iu's make SURE to consume AT LEAST 10 grams simple carbs and 10 grams protien for each iu you take IMMEDIATLY after the shot. Don't fuck around with this. You WILL go hypo and could have insulin shock coma death. Work your way up an iu every 2 days until you hit 8-10 iu's The slin is used to shuttle the converted sugar (glucose) to the fatigued muscles... best used within 1/2 hour of workout. After the shot, protein drink and carb consumption...(I like flavored creatine at 10 grams and n-lage. you get about 120 gms sugar) within 1 hour eat a good LEAN meal. Fat will turn to fat when usuing slin. be careful as you can get fat really fast on it. An hour or so later consome another drink with the proper sugars like before. eat another small laen mael or snack. be SURE that if you go out, to have simple sugars (candy bars etc...) with you as your body can react at anytime and you DON'T want to be stuck somewher going hypo with no sugar. Do NOT sleep with 4 hours of taking the slin...you could go into shock while asleep. my reccomendation is Humalog as it peaks once thgen again slighty a couple hours later and is in and out in a few hours. do not use one of the longer lasting insulins EVER!

Good luck and make sure to do your homework. going hypo is no fun...signs are sweating, sleepyness, blurred vision, dizzyness

he said it right

**AsianDynamo** · 12-24-2004, 06:28 PM

Re: need help with igf-1 slin and gh cycle

thanks guys but i've already researched into how to use everything becuase your right DON'T MESS WITH SLIN, everything has to be precise. i want more advice on timing of when i should run stuff. mike your right becuase ig1 and slin both have the same effect on blood sugars some say not to run together but also siggested to run them together so in between the boddy has a chance to recover as they oth cause you to become less insulin sensitive.

**thehamme** · 12-26-2004, 03:51 PM

bro the thing is slin desrtroys GH so make sure the Gh has been cleared from system before using slin and vice versa. The IGF can be used with slin but it will make the slin stronger so watch out on the dose.

2iu GH (a.m.)

10mcg IGF (afternoon)

workout

slin (PWO)

10mcg IGF (1hr after slin)

2iu GH p.m (atleast 4hrs after slin and 4hr before bed)

this is how I try to do it seems to be working alright but like I said the right amount of slin will be an experiment,
**because GH lowers slin sensitivity and IGF increase slin sensitivity***
the right does will be hard to find I use 8-10iu but be carefull their are to many factors with the GH and IGF stack that mess with slin levels.

thehamme

**JohnnyB** · 12-27-2004, 03:39 AM

Re: need help with igf-1 slin and gh cycle

I don't see the need to go LR3 and slin together, cycle them with the HGH. Do 4 weeks of slin then 4 weeks of LR3 with HGH. Do the slin and some HGH in the same shot post w/o, do the LR3 post w/o as well when cycling it.

JohnnyB

**bigdan** · 12-27-2004, 01:10 PM

Re: need help with igf-1 slin and gh cycle

I have been running GH SLIN and IGF todether like this

GH 3-4 ius ed div into 2 shot one am one 4:30

slin 2 weeks on 2 off humalog pwo and longer and the pumps keep me from working out at all

igf 4 weeks on 4 weeks off and yes this does overlap with slin at time but have not had any sides from it i take the igf pw in the muscle i worked

i have not completed my first 4 weeks of igf in the cycle yet but the gains in strenght and lean mass are started to show.

**SMILEY FACE** · 12-27-2004, 01:32 PM

Re: need help with igf-1 slin and gh cycle

Originally posted by thehamme

bro the thing is slin desrtroys GH so make sure the Gh has been cleared from system before using slin and vice versa. The IGF can be used with slin but it will make the slin stronger so watch out on the dose.

2iu GH (a.m.)

10mcg IGF (afternoon)

workout

slin (PWO)

10mcg IGF (1hr after slin)

2iu GH p.m (atleast 4hrs after slin and 4hr before bed)

this is how I try to do it seems to be working alright but like I said the right amount of slin will be an experiment,
**because GH lowers slin sensitivity and IGF increase slin sensitivity***
the right does will be hard to find I use 8-10iu but be carefull their are to many factors with the GH and IGF stack that mess with slin levels.

thehamme

bro i don't agree slin and igf1 , i saw a posts about it, itis very BAD, i will look it up and then post it for u

**AsianDynamo** · 12-27-2004, 02:12 PM

Re: need help with igf-1 slin and gh cycle

why can't you run igf-1 and slin together i have read alot of posts with people doing it so could you explain why for me would like to know? i know they both drop bg levels but thought you had to tailor how much slin you needed when using the two.

like the plan johnny, if slin and igf-1 isn't a good idea then first 4 weeksa with 20mcg igf-1 and 2iu of gh and then slin with gh and then same igf-1 and 2iu gh. but what i was thinking is ramping the gh up to 4iu when i'm not cycling the igf-1 to compensate for the lack of extra igf-1. or should i keep it at 2iu throughout?

**SMILEY FACE** · 12-27-2004, 03:09 PM

Re: need help with igf-1 slin and gh cycle

Originally posted by AsianDynamo

why can't you run igf-1 and slin together i have read alot of posts with people doing it so could you explain why for me would like to know? i know they both drop bg levels but thought you had to tailor how much slin you needed when using the two.

like the plan johnny, if slin and igf-1 isn't a good idea then first 4 weeksa with 20mcg igf-1 and 2iu of gh and then slin with gh and then same igf-1 and 2iu gh. but what i was thinking is ramping the gh up to 4iu when i'm not cycling the igf-1 to compensate for the lack of extra igf-1. or should i keep it at 2iu throughout?

jsut give me 10 mns and i will posts it, i got 2 help my customer out and then i will post it.... thanks for ur patient....

**SMILEY FACE** · 12-27-2004, 03:22 PM

Re: need help with igf-1 slin and gh cycle

fuck i can't find it, i'am still searching but i promise u i will find it for u

**SMILEY FACE** · 12-27-2004, 03:54 PM

Re: need help with igf-1 slin and gh cycle

damn it, i can't find it, i was on yahoo last nite and was searching for igf1 and slin cycle and it poped out under like beyondfintess or beyondlevel something like that and i can't find it and read it u shouldn'tmix tehm 2gether .... i will look 2nite as well

**thehamme** · 12-27-2004, 06:40 PM

Re: need help with igf-1 slin and gh cycle

I think the reason you saw an article saying it was bad because if you are not comfotable with slin and your body and have some good knowledge of what your doing you can kill yourself, even quicker now that your using the IGF, which I had mentioned above, makes you very very sensitive to Slin. This is because IGF works in the same fashion as insulin.
But to my knowledge this is the only major danger of using Both slin and IGF together.

thehamme

**thehamme** · 12-27-2004, 06:44 PM

Re: need help with igf-1 slin and gh cycle

Oh one more thing the presence of insulin in the body extends the half life of IGF. I believe IGF lasts for about 6hrs but with the slin you can extened the activity to about 12hrs.

thehamme

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