correct way to taking HCG..??

[neuoptics04]

hEY BROS'
Took my last shot of sust 250 a week ago need to start the HCG but having some doubts on some info.
FIRST. can I use the slin needles to inject,cause the other ones dont measure iu's,but if I do use the slin will it still be intramuscular?
And also, what would be the best and more"correct" dosages of HCG?
tHANKS FOR ANY INFO ..

NEUPOTICS

[MRCYS]

take 500iu a day for 2 wks. I'd just do it sub-q with the slin pin.

[ironman]

to late now, but I like it about 3 weeks before end @ 500iu ed for 10 days...clomid week or so after last shot for 2-3 weeks. Just my opinion

[neuoptics04]

bUT the bottle states intra muscular would it
still be ok sub-q?

[DangerousGround]

Using HCG
It is our opinion that HCG is probably one of the most misunderstood and misused compounds in bodybuilding. Hopefully this information will go some way towards rectifying that for the members of MuscleTalk. HCG stands for Human Chorionic Gonadotrophin and is not a steroid, but a natural peptide hormone which develops in the placenta of pregnant women during pregnancy to controls the mother's hormones. (Incidentally, this is the reason you may hear of people testing for growth hormone (HGH) with a pregnancy testing kit - If their HGH shows 'pregnant', they've been ripped-off with cheaper HCG - but we digress slightly).

Its action in the male body is like that of LH, stimulating the Leydig cells in the testes to produce testosterone even in the absence of endogenous LH. HCG is therefore used during longer or heavier steroid cycles to maintain testicular size and condition, or to bring atrophied (shrunken) testicles back up to their original condition in preparation for post-cycle Clomid therapy. This process is necessary because atrophied testicles produce reduced levels of natural testosterone, this situation should be rectified prior to post-cycle Clomid therapy.

HCG administration post-cycle is common practice among bodybuilders in the belief that it will aid the natural testosterone recovery, but this theory is unfounded and also counterproductive. The rapid rise in both testosterone, and thus estrogen due to aromatisation, from the administration of HCG causes further inhibition of the HPTA (Hypothalamic/Pituitary/Testicular Axis - feedback loop discussed above); this actually worsens the recovery situation. HCG does not restore the natural testosterone production.

The typically observed dosing of 2000 to 5000IU every 4 to 5 days causes such an increase in estrogen levels via aromatisation of the natural testosterone that this has been responsible for many cases of gynecomastia.

From the above discussion it is clear that HCG is best used during a cycle, either to:

1) Avoid testicular atrophy, or
2) Rectify the problem of an existing testicular atrophy.

Doses of HCG
Smaller doses, more frequently during a cycle will give best overall results with least unwanted side effects. Somewhere between 500iu and 1000iu per day would be best over about a two-week period. These doses are sufficient to avoid/rectify testicular atrophy without increasing estrogen levels too dramatically and risking gynecomastia. This dosing schedule also avoids the risk of permanently down-regulating the LH receptors in the testes.

Presentation and Administration of HCG
Synthetic HCG is often known as Pregnyl (generic name) and is available in 2500iu and 5000iu (not ideal for the above doses!). Administration of the compound is either by intra-muscular or subcutaneous injection. It comes as a powder which needs to be mixed with the sterile water. The powder is temperature-sensitive prior to mixing and should not be exposed to direct heat. After mixing, it should be kept refrigerated and used within a few weeks - though there are sterility issues which need to be considered after mixing.

Summary and Price of Clomid and HCG
Clomid is more effective than HCG post cycle, but some long-term users like to use HCG during a cycle, or to prepare the testes for Clomid therapy.


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Doses of HCG
Smaller doses, more frequently during a cycle will give best overall results with least unwanted side effects. Somewhere between 500iu and 1000iu per day would be best over about a two-week period. These doses are sufficient to avoid/rectify testicular atrophy without increasing estrogen levels too dramatically and risking gynecomastia. This dosing schedule also avoids the risk of permanently down-regulating the LH receptors in the testes.
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directions
Add the water to powder with the water given bro. After combining you need to refrigerate and it is good for about a month.

A 10,000iu kit comes with 1cc (or ml.) of sterile water. Once you reconstitute, 10ius on an insulin point equals 1000ius and done 10iu points (slin pin).
If no vial to put in pre-load slin pins and refrigerate.

Reconstitute is when you combine water and powder in one.


The the powder will just dissolve when the water is mixed via syringe instantly..it should be the active powder.

10ius on an insulin point equals 1000ius in typical HCG kit.....

The IU units are on the pin and its translates in terms of slin iu points as follows for typical 10,000iu kit:

a 10,000 iu kit if taken 5iu a day for 20 days=10,000..

Thats how I dose a 10,000 iu kit 20 days, you will find it works very well spread out ED for 20 days.

I personally get 29ga slin pins 1/3 cc per pin and fill 4 slin pins to 25 iu points,assuming you have 1 ml of water like most kits, and must be kept cold after mixing in fridge or freezer maybe in a box to conceal

10ius on an insulin point equals 1000ius.....(on slin pin).
5ius on slin pin=500iu of 10,000iu kit.
thats assuming you used the 1 ml of bac water it came with.
confusing hugh
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Sub-Q is best!

IM muscular injections of fast acting water based products such as GH, Slin, HCG, Vit B-12, etc have an absorption rate of 57% verses Sub-Q which is 69%.

That would conclude IM would take longer to be fully absorbed, which would change the shape of the peak by lowering and extending it.

[Massive1]

How to do a subQ inj:
Select your injection site. This must be an area that has a layer of fat between the skin and the muscle. This is called subcutaneous. The following parts of your body have subcutaneous layers:

* outer surface of the upper arm
* top of thighs
* buttocks
* abdomen, except the navel or waistline

1. If you are very thin do not use the abdomen as an injection site.
2. Do not use the same site for injections each time.
3. Rotate your injection sites in a regular pattern. You should be at least 1 ½ inches away from the last injection site. Jot down on your calendar where you gave you last shot. This will help prevent giving the shot in the same place too soon.
4. Select a site and cleanse the area (about 2 inches) with a fresh alcohol pad, or cotton ball soaked in alcohol.
5. Wait for the site to dry.
6. Remove the needle cap.
7. Pinch a 2?inch fold of skin between your thumb and index finger.
8. Hold the syringe the way you would a pencil or dart. Insert the needle at a 45 to 90 degree angle to the pinched?up skin. The needle should be completely covered by skin. If you do this quickly, you will feel very little discomfort.
9. Hold the syringe with one hand. With the other, pull back the plunger to check for blood. If you see blood in the solution in the syringe, do not inject. Withdraw the needle and start again at a new site.
10. If you do not see blood, slowly push the plunger to inject the medication. Press the plunger all the way down.
11. Remove the needle from the skin and gently hold an alcohol pad on the injection site. Do not rub.
12. If there is bleeding, apply a bandage.
13. Immediately put the syringe and needle into the disposal container*.

[MRCYS]

Its not to late to take is cause the sust will still be floating around for 2 weeks.

[bigjim33]

good info above....i also put a hcg faq by superchicken in the faq forum

[TxLonghorn]

Nice post, and good thinking bigjim.

[jack hust]

read th superchicken faq

[Miracle Man]

Dangerous "G"....Great Post! I love real technical information like this......Applause

[neuoptics04]

Dudes THANKS for all the info.

Good post Dangerous.

[XBiker]

1000 IU's per day for 10 days. Wait at least one week to start your clomid therapy.

[Username]

How come I don't see HCG on "lists" often? I see it overseas lists but not many domestics. I might have to hunt some down and use it before my cycle ends. Anything to speed up recovery and help the size of the testes get back to normal.

[rollon]

Great post DangerousGround and Massive1 !