next cycle - experienced please review

[lildusty21]

ive done a 3 cycles in the past... the most hardcore would be 750mgs of test enth with 300mgs of deca every week for 10 weeks and a jumpstart of dbol for 4 weeks at 30mgs a day...

here is what im getting (i was considering decabol, but no one has tried this so im going with tried and true organon)

30 amps of sus250
30 vials of deca200 (2ml vials)
28 tabs of dbol50

heres what i was thinking:

wk 1-4 50mgs of dbol ed
wk 1-15 500mgs of sus ew
wk 1-15 400mgs of deca ew
and of course the normal pct w/clomid and nolva on hand

i have never cycled for 15 weeks, so i am unsure about this.... let me know what you think...

[Slightly Enhanced]

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I am currently on about week 14 or 15 and I will be sad when it ends. I am probably going to carry this to about the 22 week point

[edvedr]

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you'll be fine with a 15 weeker. just make sure you plan properly....all your pct stuff...ala....etc

[HungarianBeast]

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If you are at least 200lbs, I would run sust at 750mg/wk.

[lildusty21]

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im currently 230... i was 255 at my heaviest... however im definitely not ripped...

i already have the sustanon... i dont want to order more bc i dont want another package coming in... although i have had no seizures, my friends have with the guy im ordering from...

[mick-G]

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I would get some hcg.

[blink]

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well..............a few things: Is there a reason that you're going from 30mg ED to 50mg ED of Dbol? If you 've grown on 30mg ED, then think about leaving your dosage alone. Second, what were your thoughts when deciding to go from 750mg Test EW with your previous cycle, to 500mg Test EW with this proposed cycle? If the answer is that you absolutely, positively know that you need 750 to gro, then shorten the cycle. Last, I would end the Deca a week before finishing up with Test.

[lildusty21]

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the dbol i have now is 50mg per tab... im going to take half in the moring and half in the evening. i had 10mg tabs before that i took 3 times a day before. i would rather do the 30mg and split it up more, but this is what i have to work with.

im not sure if i need 750mgs to grow, bc i have done lower doses and my body has done quite well. (i actually gained 25lbs off of 250mgs of test ew and 200mgs of deca ew). however that was a while ago. i would like to run it at 750mgs, but im a big baby. i dont like frequent injections. the soreness always screws up my leg workouts (and yes ive tried shoulder, quad, qlute, and even tri injections). so out of convienence i can fit 2ml of deca and 1ml of sustanon in a shot and do that twice a week.

that is a good idea to end the deca a week before the test. i will definitely do that.

[lildusty21]

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btw you look freaking enormous in your avatar... whats your cycle history like?

[DragonRider]

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im not sure if i need 750mgs to grow, bc i have done lower doses and my body has done quite well. (i actually gained 25lbs off of 250mgs of test ew and 200mgs of deca ew). however that was a while ago. i would like to run it at 750mgs, but im a big baby. i dont like frequent injections. the soreness always screws up my leg workouts (and yes ive tried shoulder, quad, qlute, and even tri injections). so out of convienence i can fit 2ml of deca and 1ml of sustanon in a shot and do that twice a week.

Then why did you switch to Sust? Sust needs to be injected every 3 days to take full advantage of the different esters. If you only want to inject once or twice a week, you need to stick with Cyp or Enanth. JMHO

[pigmeat]

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Just stick with a single ester

[TSR1969]

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I would get some hcg.

agree 100% you will be shut down after a cycle like this, best would be to run 500ius sat/sun throughout, otherwise have it for the end. everyone is right, sust gives up amounts of long-estered test for the short ones, which are gone after a few days, so in 3 days you dont have 250mgs anymore (you actually didnt have it to start with when you figure the weight of all 4 esters)enan or cyp is best w/deca which is fine for 1week shots, but if you already have it i guess run what you have, its not bad, its just not the most optimal/steady blood levels.

keep anti-e's on hand, i would take nolva at 10mg ed from the start to keep bloat and gyno away, you may have to up it to 20. you also may need bromo or cabaser if you start to get gyno from the deca, but i bet if you keep the nolva or some other anti-e in your system from the start you will be fine.

[blink]

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Ok, now that I've read this a little more closely.....

I'm starting a very similar cycle shortly, only difference is that I'm front loading and finishing up with shorter-acting esters. This will enable me to see results quicker up front, and allow me to step of the cycle and into PCT quicker. See the cycle that I posted in the cycle forum if you're interested.

Back to you and your proposed cycle and a few of the responses that you've gotten. HCG is a good idea, although not absolutely necessary. You're keeping your Deca less than your Test, so although you'll be shut down due to the Test, you have a chance at not getting Deca d%$k.

With Sust, just inject 250mg every five days.

You'll be ok running this at 15 weeks - I just wonder what additional benefit you'll get after 12 weeks, and whether or not it's worth it. Just a thought.

You've run Test/Deca/Dbol before, so you're aware of the bloat potential. Some don't mind it, personally, I can't stand the feeling. You will need an anti-e to control bloat from Dbol, however it won't keep you from bloating up from Deca. You'll need Dostinex/Bromo for that.

Although progesterone induced gyno is alot more rare than estrogen induced gyno, it's a good idea to have some Dostinex/Bromo on hand, just in case. To be clear, Nolva will NOT be effective at all, if you get progeterone gyno, regardless of how/when you take it.

You don't mention what your PCT plan is, I'm going to assume that you've thought it through.

You're in for some good growth if you eat reasonably and train hard! Good luck and keep us posted.