CYCLE REFERANCE FORUM SUGGESTION.

[TRAM]

I WAS JUST THINKING WHEN READING SOME OF WHAT HAS BEEN POSTED ALREADY, SOME REALLY HELPFUL INFORMATION IT WILL HELP ALOT OF PEEPS OUT. GREAT IDEA. A QUESTION I ASKED MYSELF WHEN FIRST RESEARCHING AS AND TRYING TO START TO PLAN A CYCLE WAS "WHY SHOULD PEOPLE USING AS FOR THE FIRST TIME KEEP THEIR GEAR TO A MINIMUM AND WHAT BENEFITS THIS MIGHT BRING" I READ ALOT OF PEEPS SAYING "YOU DON'T NEED ALL THAT FOR YOUR FIRST CYCLE" I JUST FIGURED THIS SHOULD BE DISCUSSED BECAUSE IMO IT GETS PEEPS TO DO MORE RESEARCH ON A PARTICULAR AS.

[Got Gear?]

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Good point..we say "start low" but don't explain why. I'll try to think of a good way to express that...

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That IS a good point! Simply put, you don't need it to grow. There's more to it, but I don't wanna step on brother GG's toes!

[Got Gear?]

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That IS a good point! Simply put, you don't need it to grow. There's more to it, but I don't wanna step on brother GG's toes!

Lol.. go for it bro. I got alot on my plate and it'll probably take me a few days before I can get around to it...

[HungarianBeast]

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Correct, everyone is different and reacts differently to different compounds. There is no sound "method" that works for everybody. There are some basic guidelines that one should follow, but you still need to "listen" to your body.

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Girl Patriot/HungarianBeast have hit it right on the money!! Let's get some more input here, afterward, we'll pop it in the sticky!

[mick-G]

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Some ppl like to keep it minimum because they don't want alot of stash around the house, lol.

[TRAM]

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THIS IS A GOOD START W/ REPONSES, GOOD INFO GP. I'VE DONE MY RESEARCH AND GOT A PLATE FULL FOR MY FIRST CYCLE (I DO NOT RECOMMEND TO ANYONE TO FOLLOW ME DOWN THIS ROAD) I THINK MY CYCLE WILL ROCK & ROLL THOUGH. ANYWAYS IF ANYONE HAS MORE CONVINCING INFO ON THIS TOPIC I WILL LOVE TO READ IT, MAYBE I STILL CAN BE TALKED DOWN TO TAKING A FEW THINGS OFF MY PLATE TO START W/. OR MAYBE NOT. IT'S GITTIN LATE TIME TO GET MY BEAUTY SLEEP PEACE OUT FG.

[TRAM]

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No one is going to try and talk you out of anything. This site is filled to the brim with information and experience that everyone has taken a lot of time to share with our members. Some people heed our advice and some don't. The info you find here is available only so that you can make a good decision on your own.

I DIDN'T MEAN TO COME ACROOS AS A SNOB OR HIGH AND MIGHTY JUST TRYING TO RAZZ YOU PEEPS INTO GIVING UP A LITTLE MORE INFO ON THE TOPIC, I HAVE READ WEEKS WORTH A INFO ON THIS SITE TO FIGURE OUT MY FIRST AND HAVE GIVEN PROPS TO ALL WHO HAVE HELPED. SOMETIMES I FEEL YOU HAVE TO TALK A LITLLE SHIT (OR LOT) TO GET TRUE AND HONEST INFO OUT. SORRY IF ANYONE GOT OFFENDED.

[Blackfoot]

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Here is a pretty simplistic reason: Why would you shoot a deer with a bazooka? It's not necessary or even practical for that matter. JMO

[TRAM]

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I'M NOT A DEER RATHER A HORSE IN THAT MATTER, AND AS FAR THE BAZOOKA THATS WHY I PICKED UP A 23G INSTEAD OF THE 21G (BAZOOKA)

[TRAM]

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NO BUT REALLY, I DO NOT DISAGREE W/ ONE WORD SAID IN THIS COLUMN, DIFFERENT ANABOLICS ARE MADE TO GIVE DIFFERENT EFFECTS AS WELL AS OTHERS TO COUNTERACT THE BAD SIDE EFFECTS SOME GIVE, THEREFOR IF SOMEONE IS TAKING A STRONGER ORAL OR EVEN IM TYPE THEY NEED AN ANTI-E TO WARD OFF SOME OF THE SIDE EFFECTS. WHEN USING AN AS THAT PUTS ON ALOT OF WATER YOU WOULD WANT TO TAKE SOMETHING TO HELP STAY HARD (UNLESS YOU LIKE OR DOEN'T MIND THAT BLOATED FEELING). IS IT A BAD IDEA TO RUN TEST AND EQ TOGETHER FOR THE FIRST CYCLE, FROM THE ADVICE AND READING I'VE DONE, NO, BUT I AGREE THAT IF YOU REALLY WANT TO KNOW WHAT ESTER IS DOING WHAT THEN OBVIOUSLY, YOU SHOULD ONLY DO ONE AT A TIME. NOW I'M GOING TO RUN THE TEST AND EQ TOGETHER AND AM GOING TO RUN THE PROVIRON TO KEEP THE WATER DOWN AS WELL STAY HARD, AND NOT TO MENTION ATTACK ESTROGEN FROM A DIFFERENT ANGLE THAN THE NOLVA I'M ALSO GOING TO RUN FROM DAY 1 THROUGH MY PCT. SINCE I'M SUCH A WORRY WART I'M IN ADDITION GOING TO TAKE AROMA FOR PEACE OF MIND. (YOU CAN NEVER BE SAFE ENOUGH WHEN USING ANABOLICS WITHOUT MEDICAL SUPERVISION) SO IN ADDTION TO MY TEST EQ STACK I'M RUNNING THREE DIFFERENT ORALS TO KEEP SIDE AFFECTS AWAY IN ALL DIRECTIONS (I REALLY DOEN'T THINK THAT IS A POOR DECISION) YET THESE ORALS I'M INJESTING ARE NOT THAT HARMFUL TO TAKE AS FAR AS LIVER HEALTH GOES. (UNLIKE TAKING D-BOL) THE ONE THING PEEPS MIGHT DISAGREE W/ IS THAT I'M GOING TO RUN WINNY ED THE LAST 6 WEEKS OF MY 11 & 12 WEEK TEST EQ RUN. I LOOK AT THE FINAL RESULT IN ALL CASES, IT'S AN ART YOU NEED THE RIGHT TOOLS TO DO JOB YOU WANT DONE ANYTHING LESS (OR MORE) AND YOUR GIVING YOUR SELF THE SHORT END OF THE STICK. OTHER THAN WINNY NOT BEING THE BEST THING FOR YOUR JOINTS OR IT'S BEING WATER BASED (WATER BASED IS MORE LIABLE TO BECOME INFECTED)IT'S ONE OF THE SAFER IM AS TO USE. HENCE WHY IT IS ONE OF THE MOST POPULAR AS IN THE STATES AMONG COLLEGE ATHELETS. THIS WINNY BLAST AT THE END WILL GIVE ME THE FINAL RESULTS I'M SEEKING, WHY, NOT BECAUSE I'M TAKING SIX DIFFERENT THINGS AT ONCE BUT BECAUSE OF THE PROPERTIES EACH ONE OF THESE OFFERS TO MY BODY IN THE SCIENTIFIC SENSE. WHAT I HAVE WRITEN HERE WILL GIVE ANY AND EVERYBODY SOMETHING TO FIRE AWAY AT. I'M ADDING THIS INFO BECAUSE I'M HOPING IT WILL GIVE A JUMP START TO THE PROPER EXPLANATION OF STARTING CYCLES RIGHT. I AM A PERSON OF REASON AND IT REALLY ANNOYS ME WHEN SOMEONE SAYS THIS OR THAT AND DOESN'T EXPLAIN THEMSELVES AND PROVIDE BASIS FOR THERE PLAN. THANK YOU FOR THE TIME. THATS ALL MOST PEEPS ARE LOOKING FOR.

[TRAM]

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[HungarianBeast]

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I DIDN'T MEAN TO COME ACROOS AS A SNOB OR HIGH AND MIGHTY JUST TRYING TO RAZZ YOU PEEPS INTO GIVING UP A LITTLE MORE INFO ON THE TOPIC, I HAVE READ WEEKS WORTH A INFO ON THIS SITE TO FIGURE OUT MY FIRST AND HAVE GIVEN PROPS TO ALL WHO HAVE HELPED. SOMETIMES I FEEL YOU HAVE TO TALK A LITLLE SHIT (OR LOT) TO GET TRUE AND HONEST INFO OUT. SORRY IF ANYONE GOT OFFENDED.

To get true and honest info out of people, be true and honest. Talking shit will only get you coming across as an ass. I don't think anyone was offended, but I don't think you got many responses because of the "shit talk."

I am sure your first cycle will "rock and roll", but getting started on something you have never done before is done in steps. In this subject, the first step is sometimes one that will ruin your body. Just be careful and read more. "Weeks worth of info" is good, but months or years is better...

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NO BUT REALLY, I DO NOT DISAGREE W/ ONE WORD SAID IN THIS COLUMN, DIFFERENT ANABOLICS ARE MADE TO GIVE DIFFERENT EFFECTS AS WELL AS OTHERS TO COUNTERACT THE BAD SIDE EFFECTS SOME GIVE, THEREFOR IF SOMEONE IS TAKING A STRONGER ORAL OR EVEN IM TYPE THEY NEED AN ANTI-E TO WARD OFF SOME OF THE SIDE EFFECTS. WHEN USING AN AS THAT PUTS ON ALOT OF WATER YOU WOULD WANT TO TAKE SOMETHING TO HELP STAY HARD (UNLESS YOU LIKE OR DOEN'T MIND THAT BLOATED FEELING). IS IT A BAD IDEA TO RUN TEST AND EQ TOGETHER FOR THE FIRST CYCLE, FROM THE ADVICE AND READING I'VE DONE, NO, BUT I AGREE THAT IF YOU REALLY WANT TO KNOW WHAT ESTER IS DOING WHAT THEN OBVIOUSLY, YOU SHOULD ONLY DO ONE AT A TIME. NOW I'M GOING TO RUN THE TEST AND EQ TOGETHER AND AM GOING TO RUN THE PROVIRON TO KEEP THE WATER DOWN AS WELL STAY HARD, AND NOT TO MENTION ATTACK ESTROGEN FROM A DIFFERENT ANGLE THAN THE NOLVA I'M ALSO GOING TO RUN FROM DAY 1 THROUGH MY PCT. SINCE I'M SUCH A WORRY WART I'M IN ADDITION GOING TO TAKE AROMA FOR PEACE OF MIND. (YOU CAN NEVER BE SAFE ENOUGH WHEN USING ANABOLICS WITHOUT MEDICAL SUPERVISION) SO IN ADDTION TO MY TEST EQ STACK I'M RUNNING THREE DIFFERENT ORALS TO KEEP SIDE AFFECTS AWAY IN ALL DIRECTIONS (I REALLY DOEN'T THINK THAT IS A POOR DECISION) YET THESE ORALS I'M INJESTING ARE NOT THAT HARMFUL TO TAKE AS FAR AS LIVER HEALTH GOES. (UNLIKE TAKING D-BOL) THE ONE THING PEEPS MIGHT DISAGREE W/ IS THAT I'M GOING TO RUN WINNY ED THE LAST 6 WEEKS OF MY 11 & 12 WEEK TEST EQ RUN. I LOOK AT THE FINAL RESULT IN ALL CASES, IT'S AN ART YOU NEED THE RIGHT TOOLS TO DO JOB YOU WANT DONE ANYTHING LESS (OR MORE) AND YOUR GIVING YOUR SELF THE SHORT END OF THE STICK. OTHER THAN WINNY NOT BEING THE BEST THING FOR YOUR JOINTS OR IT'S BEING WATER BASED (WATER BASED IS MORE LIABLE TO BECOME INFECTED)IT'S ONE OF THE SAFER IM AS TO USE. HENCE WHY IT IS ONE OF THE MOST POPULAR AS IN THE STATES AMONG COLLEGE ATHELETS. THIS WINNY BLAST AT THE END WILL GIVE ME THE FINAL RESULTS I'M SEEKING, WHY, NOT BECAUSE I'M TAKING SIX DIFFERENT THINGS AT ONCE BUT BECAUSE OF THE PROPERTIES EACH ONE OF THESE OFFERS TO MY BODY IN THE SCIENTIFIC SENSE. WHAT I HAVE WRITEN HERE WILL GIVE ANY AND EVERYBODY SOMETHING TO FIRE AWAY AT. I'M ADDING THIS INFO BECAUSE I'M HOPING IT WILL GIVE A JUMP START TO THE PROPER EXPLANATION OF STARTING CYCLES RIGHT. I AM A PERSON OF REASON AND IT REALLY ANNOYS ME WHEN SOMEONE SAYS THIS OR THAT AND DOESN'T EXPLAIN THEMSELVES AND PROVIDE BASIS FOR THERE PLAN. THANK YOU FOR THE TIME. THATS ALL MOST PEEPS ARE LOOKING FOR.

TRAM, this is where you lost me. I did a search and found the cycle that you propose. You got alot of good feedback there, basically the same thing that you're hearing here.

Your argument about Winnie is not a good one. First off, what qualifies one as an expert in anabolic bodybuilding, simply because he/she is a college athlete? I think that it's naive to think that just because alot of college kids use a particular compound, that it is the best thing for you, or even a good thing for you. Your arguments regarding bloat/strogen, also seem flawed to me.

I really think that you need to take a step back and consider the advice of those who have been where you are. What do you expect to gain from running anything but Test-only for your first cycle?

I can't tell whether or not you understood blackfoot when he said, " Here is a pretty simplistic reason: Why would you shoot a deer with a bazooka? It's not necessary or even practical for that matter. JMO" . What he means, is that running any more than Test for your first cycle is just throwing $$$ down the drain and robbing yourself of the opportunity to learn how different compounds affect you.

You made a good point in your original post when you suggested that we include an explanation behind suggesting a Test-only cycle for a first cycle. We agreed and answered that. You go on to dismiss that advice and even challenge it, which really comes off as kind of arrogant. Take our advice or leave it, but, don't rub it in our face if you decide not to take it. I'd like to think that the mods/vets/those-more-experienced-with-AAS-than-you-are, are in a much better position to advise the community here than you are.

You're going to do what you want regardless, and that's fine. I think that it's great to question advice, in order to understand it, but, IMO, you're coming off a bit cocky, now.

I'm not flaming you by any means, bro. Quite the opposite. I'd like to continue pointing you in the direction of good, sound information that will help you in this game.