EQ.-vs-DECA.

[TRAM]

Re: EQ.-vs-DECA.

IS THIS (DECA) A COMMON THING TO ADD FOR JOINT PAIN AND NOT AS A PART OF YOUR CYCLE @ 100MG/WK. BY THE WAY IS THERE A LIMIT TO THE AMOUNT OF MG's I'M PUTTING INTO MYSELF A WEEK.(I'M LOOKING FOR A GRAND TOTAL) TEST,EQ,PROV,WIN. = WHAT (SOME PEEPS TOLD ME 800 MAX. BUT I'M LOOKING MORE @ 1500MG's)

[FUZO]

Re: EQ.-vs-DECA.

DECA-400MG A WEEK AND IT HELPS THE JOINTS
EQ-400-600 A WEEK
PROVIRON 25-50MG ED I WILL BE TAKING IT WITH MY PCT
WINNY 50MG ED 6-8 WEEKS MAX

[LOCO]

Re: EQ.-vs-DECA.

i don't like deca that much, but i do add it at 100mg a week when i'm on a cycle
(btw if u do add deca eithe at 100 or 400 or whatever it takes 3-4 weeks till u start feeing ur joints get better)

[TRAM]

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THANKS FOR THE INFO GUYS I'M GOING W/ THE EQ, JUST GOING TO TOUGH OUT THE JOINT PAIN, NOT TO MENTION I DON'T THINK I HAVE ANY ROOM LEFT TO STICK MYSELF MY LOCATIONS ARE ALMOST OVERLAPPING. PEACE OUT JUST RENTED DAWN OF THE DEAD.

[mick-G]

Re: EQ.-vs-DECA.

Good flick!

[T-Man007]

Re: EQ.-vs-DECA.

It depends on whether your pain is the actual joint or the tendons that attach to the joint. Deca, beacuse of the water, will help the joint itself (and the tendon some). But usually shoulder pain is not the joint but the tendons and that is best helped by EQ. The EQ will strengthen your tendons better than anything by a long shot. Deca, however, is second to EQ in tendon repair but at about half the advantage if I remember correctly. My problem is tendon (from that damn winny) so I'm about to start an EQ cycle to get them stronger before I jump into the other stuff.

[TRAM]

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T-MAN MY JOINTS AND TENDONS ARE DAMAGED EVERYWHERE 2- ACL RECONSTRUCTIONS, MCL, ROTATOR CULF, BICEP LEGIMENT, CARTILEDGE REMOVED ALL OVER, SCAPULAR REPAIR, AND DEBRIDGEMENT OF RIGHT COLAR BONE, THANKS FOR THE TIP THAT EQ HELPS W/ TENDONS (DIDN'T KNOW THAT). IS THERE A PREFERRED LIMIT TO THE LENGTH OF TIME RUNNING THE WINNY TO AVIOD ANY FUTHER TENDON PROBLEMS OR WILL THE EQ I'M RUNNING BEFORE THE WINNY TAKE CARE OF THAT DURING THIS CYCLE. BY THE WAY DAWN OF THE DEAD LAST NIGHT WAS A TRIP EXSPECIALLY THE PLAYED OUT NEWS BROADCAST IN THE SPECIAL FEATURES. PEACE OUT.

[Slightly Enhanced]

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I am using both right now (on wk 12) and enjoying it (600eq/wk + 400deca/wk + 550 Test E/wk)

I am not shut down, I am using tribulus plus hcg. My sex life is not happered at all, still getting those erections for no reason while I sit at work!!!

For bloat i am taking Aroma which works well, occasionally i throw in an otc diuretic i bought at the pharmacy

[badasz32]

Re: EQ.-vs-DECA.

i loved the increased hunger from eq and i havenot yet tried deca

[Lock_N_Load]

Re: EQ.-vs-DECA.

I am using both right now (on wk 12) and enjoying it (600eq/wk + 400deca/wk + 550 Test E/wk)

I am not shut down, I am using tribulus plus hcg. My sex life is not happered at all, still getting those erections for no reason while I sit at work!!!

For bloat i am taking Aroma which works well, occasionally i throw in an otc diuretic i bought at the pharmacy

whats a good dose for trib?

[T-Man007]

Re: EQ.-vs-DECA.

T-MAN MY JOINTS AND TENDONS ARE DAMAGED EVERYWHERE 2- ACL RECONSTRUCTIONS, MCL, ROTATOR CULF, BICEP LEGIMENT, CARTILEDGE REMOVED ALL OVER, SCAPULAR REPAIR, AND DEBRIDGEMENT OF RIGHT COLAR BONE, THANKS FOR THE TIP THAT EQ HELPS W/ TENDONS (DIDN'T KNOW THAT). IS THERE A PREFERRED LIMIT TO THE LENGTH OF TIME RUNNING THE WINNY TO AVIOD ANY FUTHER TENDON PROBLEMS OR WILL THE EQ I'M RUNNING BEFORE THE WINNY TAKE CARE OF THAT DURING THIS CYCLE. BY THE WAY DAWN OF THE DEAD LAST NIGHT WAS A TRIP EXSPECIALLY THE PLAYED OUT NEWS BROADCAST IN THE SPECIAL FEATURES. PEACE OUT.

Tram, in my opinion I would keep the EQ higher 400 mg/wk or more and the winny lower just to be sure. No one knows exactly what kind of condition your tendonsa are in. My approach would be to play for later innings. In other words, don't go all out now but go steady for longer. The EQ has been proven to replace the collegen needed to repair tendons by a lot. But, at the same time winny will make them brittle. How much you should take would be based on knowing exactly what condition they are in. Since you don't know for sure I would go only about 25 mg ed on the winny and not start it for about 8 weeks into the EQ. Remember, EQ takes 3 weeks to get in your system.

Just my opinion.

[Slightly Enhanced]

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whats a good dose for trib?

start with 3 to 4 grams a day, it works well for me. I get it at Vitamin World. Cheapest I have found. First Mon & Tues of the month it is 30% off

[blink]

Re: EQ.-vs-DECA.

All good stuff that's been posted - you've got a wealth of experience in these responses.

I don't have much to add, other than I prefer EQ. However, it's way more expensive, and I can't fit it into a shorter cycle - 600 mg EW for 12 weeks is the minimum for me, 14-16 weeks is better. I do know some bros who grow on 400 mg EW, but I'm not one of em!

[TRAM]

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GREAT FOOD FOR THOUGHT GUYS , ALL MY TENDONS AND REPAIRS ARE FULLY RECOVERED, BUT I THINK I'M GOING TO RUN THE EQ AT 400MG TO START W/, AMOUNT OR $ IS NO PROB. SO I MIGHT UP IT A LITTLE AFTER 4-6 WEEKS. THE WINNY AT 50 ED. LAST 6 WEEKS OF CYCLE. ANY LESS WOULD BE POINTLESS IMO. BACK TO THE GYM IN ONE WEEK. I'M FRIGGING PUMPED! THANKS AGAIN FOR THE TALK. PEACE OUT.

[LOCO]

Re: EQ.-vs-DECA.

TRAM eq (and deca as well) will also support tendon/cartilage synthesis and speed up the recovery process
here's an article about it:



How to increase collegen synthesis!! (i.e. - strengthen those tendons and ligiments)

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originally posted by AnimalMass on competitivemuscle.com

While injecting test increases protein syntesis by roughly 50 times, depending on dose and time, most bodybuilders forget that it will reduce collagen synthesis by more than 50% -- more like 80%, giving you the collagen synthesis rate of a senior citizen. Since collagen makes up tendons, bros are very prone to injury if they continue to lift very heavy, unless they cycle off T and let their collagen synthesis get back to normal. It's like having the skeletal muscle of a gorilla with the tendons of a very old man.

Winstrol increases collagen synthesis. It will give you bigger tendons. However, your body compensates for this by making them more brittle, weaker, and more prone to injury. I can't tell you how many bros work out anaerobically and become injured while on winstrol. Guys who lift in the 1-5 rep range while on winstrol, to baseball players who sprint all out from a stationary position -- winstrol should be the LAST drug they choose. Most of them like winstrol because they don't get the weight gain from it but it is very detrimental to bros who train for any sport anaerobically. Tendons tear easily on it.

Also, the drugs I mention increase collagen syn while also increasing collagen cross-linking integrity, making for a much stronger tendon.

Winstrol, on the other hand, will dramatically increase collagen syn, but ironically it decreases collagen cross-linking integrity, thus making a much weaker tendon.

You can plan a cycle of AAS which will increase collagen synthesis and skeletal muscle growth at the same time. The key is the drug(s) you choose.

Deca, Equipoise, Anavar, and Primobolan will ALL increase skeletal muscle while at the same time dramatically increase collagen syn and bone mass and density, leaving you with a substantially reduced chance of becoming injured than if you choose to use AAS like sus, cyp, or enth.

While testosterone will increase bone mass and density, even at supra-physiological levels, the result is weaker tendons due to inhibition of collagen syn.

To plan a cycle where the goal is to increase skeletal muscle mass/strength while at the same time increase joint/tendon/ligament strength, enough to keep up with the dramatic increase in skeletal muscle, you must choose drugs like Eq, Deca, Anavar, or Primo as the base of your cycle. Testosterone and its esters can be added to your cycle to keep levels within a 'normal' physiological range (ie, 100-200 mg/wk) but must not go above this. Since drugs like eq, deca, anavar and primo will reduce endogenous, natural levels of test, these levels may be maintained with exogenous test in the 100-200 mg/wk range. Test at this dose will not inhibit collagen syn, but paradoxically, will help increase it. It is when exogenous testosterone is used > 200 mg/wk that collagen syn is inhibited.

Deca @ 3 mg/kg a week(about 270 mg/wk for a 200 lb male) will increase procollagen III levels by 270% by week 2. Procollagen III is a primary indicator used to determine the rate of collagen syn. As you can see, deca is a very good drug at giving you everything you want -- an increase in collagen syn, an increase in skeletal muscle, and increases in bone mass and density. The one thing it does not give you is wood

Primobolan, @ 5 mg/kg, will increase collagen synthesis by roughly 180% -- less than deca and equipoise but still substantial.

Equipoise @ 3 mg/kg will increase procollagen III by approximately 340% -- slightly better than deca.

Oxandrolone has over a hundred studies documenting its effectiveness at treating patients needing rapid increases in collagen syn to enhance healing.

These drugs have longer half-lives than most other AAS, so this should be considered when timing your post cycle clomid use. Here they are:

Deca: 15 days Equipoise: 14 days Primobolan: 10.5 days

Anavar has a half-life of only 8 hours so it should not pose a problem.

GH is probably the most remarkable drug at increasing collagen synthesis. It increases collagen syn in a dose dependant manner -- the more you use, the more you will increase collagen syn. It has also demonstrated this ability in short and long term studies. From what I've read, hGH at 6 iu/day increased the collagen deposition rate by around 250% in damaged collagen structures. This result indicates that the increased biomechanical strength of wounds to collagen structures treated with biosynthetic human growth hormone was produced by an increased deposition of collagen in the collagen structures.

Eq, primo, anavar, and deca are all good -- they increase several biomakers of collagen syn -- ie, type III, II, I, procollagen markers. GH just seems to do so most dramatically.

Use of any of these drugs @ supra-physiological levels with a maintenance dose of test will increase collagen syn while at the same time increase skeletal muscle mass. Skeletal muscle mass gains will not be as dramatic as with large testosterone doses but you have to weigh the risk/reward basis for yourself. Also, these drugs do not satisfy the libido like testosterone, but that is not the point of this thread. It is only to demonstrate that you can increase skeletal muscle and collagen syn at the same time with certain AAS -- the decision is up to you.

AnimalMass