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[JsJs24]

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i'am not against u but he did use dbol though, and then as far for the dosage i think they are high for him since he is 61 and weigh 185, i never gave him dosage and i agree that test at 500 mg and eq 400 is plenty for him. and if he eat cleans and workout right, he will get teh results taht he wants

Good points. I can see eq and test with no need for dbol. But I would probably drop the test down to 350-400 given his weight, the eq at 400 will definately ensure he gets good gains don't you think?

[SMILEY FACE]

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see i have never taken sus so i cant speak but everyone keeps telling me its better then strait test and my gains ill be fast and harder....

that is right, like sust and omendren250 u won't tend to hold water, u can do sust and eq.
when we say test ,it could be cyp, enant, prop, sust, omendre, ur choice and depending what u want.

sust is faster since it has 30 mg of propionate in it and prop is a fast acting too

[SMILEY FACE]

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Good points. I can see eq and test with no need for dbol. But I would probably drop the test down to 350-400 given his weight, the eq at 400 will definately ensure he gets good gains don't you think?

i never done test 350 mg a week it is an odd number for me , either 200 mg, 400 500 , and 600, 750, or 1000 that is for me.

if he is going to do 350 might as well do 400 mg and SINCE HE WILL BE DOING SUST, might as well 500 mg 2 amps a week, and he needs 2 split tehm 2x a week like sat and wensday

[JsJs24]

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see i have never taken sus so i cant speak but everyone keeps telling me its better then strait test and my gains ill be fast and harder....

I think sust is overhyped bulls**t bro. This is an argument on the boards that is never won. Sust is pretty good and will throw gains on you even taken once a wk, however, the 4 esters in it make it worthless imo. It contains 2 fast acting esters, one average, and one slower than hell. To take advantage of the prop and phenylprop you need to do eod shots. I either go with long ester or short ester, and sometimes end with a short ester, it just makes sense.

[jenergy]

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so 500mg sust and 400mg eq for 10weeks...dont i need to pyramid or no just keep it consistent

[JsJs24]

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i never done test 350 mg a week it is an odd number for me , either 200 mg, 400 500 , and 600, 750, or 1000 that is for me.

if he is going to do 350 might as well do 400 mg and SINCE HE WILL BE DOING SUST, might as well 500 mg 2 amps a week, and he needs 2 split tehm 2x a week like sat and wensday

With test 250 I am taking 250 e5d which equates to 350 a wk. Now I am changing to prop at 100mg eod. Sust imo should be shot more frequently due to the 2 fast esters in it.

[jenergy]

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well i can go with the test250 it doesnt matter to me less shots better for me...nut then again i want a hard gain with as little bloat as possible

[SMILEY FACE]

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I think sust is overhyped bulls**t bro. This is an argument on the boards that is never won. Sust is pretty good and will throw gains on you even taken once a wk, however, the 4 esters in it make it worthless imo. It contains 2 fast acting esters, one average, and one slower than hell. To take advantage of the prop and phenylprop you need to do eod shots. I either go with long ester or short ester, and sometimes end with a short ester, it just makes sense.

i agree we jsjsj, the thing wt sust it won't keep ur blood level stable so u requires more shot and sicne if u take cyp, or enatnt is 1 ester will take longer to kick in but ur blood will BE STABLE.

[rado]

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Come on now Rado. This is a guy with hardly any AAS exp and he wants to start out with too much gear. I was merely giving him the basic cycle I suggest for anyone new to gear. I am the same bodyfat as him and I never end up anything other than lean on a cycle. Ldex can keep the bloat down and nolv will help keep those lipids in check from the ldex. A healthy diet and cardio will be key in staying lean. Eq is NOT needed with test on this cycle IMHO. Perhaps he should do eq alone with winny at the end? I am just keeping it simple and do not believe in suggesting so much gear for a first cycle.

then you must of missed my 1st post then, I said only test cycle, MAYBE eq. I'm NOT one os those persons that takes a shit load of gear though

EQ alone???? Are you joking here no test and winny at the end, come on man, don't send him out like that.....anyway, I hope he sticks with test only and maybe eq if he wants......

[JsJs24]

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so 500mg sust and 400mg eq for 10weeks...dont i need to pyramid or no just keep it consistent

If that is your final decision then this is how you do it

wks 1-12 sust 500mg
wks 1-12 eq 400mg
PCT 3 wks after last inject
Nolv and/or clomid can be used. Nolv could be done at 40mg ed for 2 wks, 20mg ed for 2 more, then 10mg ed for 2 more. To help keep bloat down get you some ldex or femara. Ldex can be used at .25mg ed throughout the entire cycle until pct starts. With ldex you should take 10 or 20mg of nolv ed to keep lipids in check.

[SMILEY FACE]

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so 500mg sust and 400mg eq for 10weeks...dont i need to pyramid or no just keep it consistent

i would say this:

week 1 week 10 500 mg 1 cc on sat and 1 cc on wensday
week 11 250
week 12 250

for eq 400 from week 1 week 16 since eq won't hit ur system not till the 5th to the 6 th week .also split the eq on sat and wens one in each cheek then alternate them

then follow at pct liek jsjsj said, i totally agree wt him

[JsJs24]

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then you must of missed my 1st post then, I said only test cycle, MAYBE eq. I'm NOT one os those persons that takes a shit load of gear though

I knew that bro.

EQ alone???? Are you joking here no test and winny at the end, come on man, don't send him out like that.....anyway, I hope he sticks with test only and maybe eq if he wants......

I saw you post Rado.

Uhh, yea I kind of was joking but at the same time serious...lol. Some of these guys want to get lean and are against AAS like test and dbol due to bloat, therefore I was throwing some other options out there. I have known people to get some pretty darn good gains off cycles like that but I do not think it is the best way to go.

[jenergy]

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then you must of missed my 1st post then, I said only test cycle, MAYBE eq. I'm NOT one os those persons that takes a shit load of gear though

EQ alone???? Are you joking here no test and winny at the end, come on man, don't send him out like that.....anyway, I hope he sticks with test only and maybe eq if he wants......

with a test only with a test only cycle and not with sust with t250 instead how would you run it? And I would like to use eq to make me harder

[badasz32]

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u can shoot the blends every 3 days, like sust and t-400

[JsJs24]

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with a test only with a test only cycle and not with sust with t250 instead how would you run it? And I would like to use eq to make me harder

Then just run test enanthate at 500mg a wk for 12 wks and eq at 400mg for 11 wks. Some people will say run the eq longer but I don't think you should be on a cycle much longer than that for a first time. The eq should work fine for you.

wks 1-12 test enan 500mg
wks 1-11 eq 400mg
PCT 2 wks after last test shot same as I told you above.
I would do 250mg test and 200mg eq together twice a wk, like Mon and Thur.

Good luck bro and I'm glad you listened. Great group of guys here giving you advice so don't be afraid to ask again.