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i agree wt audiowave, if u are worried about gaining weigth from test, i mean water weight, do propionate less water but it is a test though and beleive me limp dick means can't get it up. and winny and deca,=needs test .
it is lke saying u wanna write a letter and u don't have a pen, u know.....
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i think HCG and clomid is the best to restore ur system back up
Are you sure you have researched enough?? If you get good hg test and run ldex or aroma@ .25mg thruout cycle you should have no probs. You very most likely will have prob with erection if you do not run it. I have only seen a few ppl that can run deca without this prob. I would go with a long ester like cyp or enathate, so you wont have to inject as much. The above is correct, your diet dictates most of what your outcome will be.
have to jump in here. I know guys doing what your doing. They are getting "hard" muscle wise, they are also dieting like a mofo and one guy is well into his (MadMass @ MN if you guys go over there) and he has a lot of ancilliaries to work with too. IMO if this is your first cycle, you may want a test only cycle to see how you react. I would also experiment a little with your diet (if you haven't already) and see what it takes to cut. Winnie is a 17aa steroid and should be used no more then 6 weeks and under 50mg IMO and many others agree. Its hard on the liver and also will affect the pancreas because of its location and job in your body. I suggest you research more and ask some questions to better undestand the compounds you plan to use. You can PM any mod or vet and IO am sure they will help you out.
Ahh, you see bro, that's why we say you need test. Deca will shut you down harder than anything. Your boys will be gone for a long time and captain winkie will not want to function properly. A moderate dose of test along with some hcg will help to prevent that. For a first cycle though, I don't even think you should run deca. And winstrol at 50mg eod probably won't do too much either. Why don't you do a basic test cycle for 10 wks with dbol the first 5. This would be much simpler and then you could see why test is best.
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I do not condone the use of, nor do I use anabolic or androgenic steroids. My participation on these boards is for informational purposes only. I have done extensive research of AAS and enjoy discussing them for role playing enjoyment.
ok, now i can't dissappoint all my women, thanks for all the input. i currently have 2 20ml btls. of winny sydgroup, 2 10ml btls. deca qv 200, now i need test to top it off can i still use what i got w/ the test or is that to much for my first round. what type of test would you cats recommend, preferably a long ester if you think i can run it w/ winny & deca (don't want to much scar tissue) but something good, not to toxic w/ the least amount of water. a cycle time line would be good help if anyone got the time, or just anything i joined this site to hear it all and get started right. also let me know what this stack would yeild for results from personal experiance (don't want the answers i already got from the books.)
doesn't proviron cure the limp w/ a deca winny cycle?
Without test in there I don't think anything will prevent deca dick. But if you want to chance it then go ahead. I had deca dick for a few months once, and because of it I may never use deca again. I would rather use eq. Bro you do not need to run 3 AAS for a 1st cycle. Just simply get some test enanthate and run it for 10 wks. You can also add winstrol for the first 6 at 50mg ed if you want a jump start, or at the end to solidify gains.
Government is not reason; it is not eloquent; it is force. Like fire, it is a dangerous servant and a fearful master. George Washington
I do not condone the use of, nor do I use anabolic or androgenic steroids. My participation on these boards is for informational purposes only. I have done extensive research of AAS and enjoy discussing them for role playing enjoyment.
proviron will help out with the deca dick, however you won't be able to run a normal PCT with an all androgen cycle. The cycle you proposed is very old school European. If you are serious about this cycle, PM me and I can get you an email address of a guy who is doing this type of cycle. You can talk to him about the cycle and PCT he is using.
Try the durabolin instead of the deca. Not hardly any bloat and you get the firm and vascular and not much or a limp either. I just ran a cycle of it with sust. I'll never do the deca if i wana bulk i'll do durabolin. To me it is a better alternative.
ok, now i can't dissappoint all my women, thanks for all the input. i currently have 2 20ml btls. of winny sydgroup, 2 10ml btls. deca qv 200, now i need test to top it off can i still use what i got w/ the test or is that to much for my first round. what type of test would you cats recommend, preferably a long ester if you think i can run it w/ winny & deca (don't want to much scar tissue) but something good, not to toxic w/ the least amount of water. a cycle time line would be good help if anyone got the time, or just anything i joined this site to hear it all and get started right. also let me know what this stack would yeild for results from personal experiance (don't want the answers i already got from the books.)
sounds like you have all the info you want so start your cycle today. what are you talking about as far and test and 'not too toxic'?? you're planning on drinking the winny i guess, as you say dont want scar tissue from deca/winny, but winny you have to do every day injects you are saying you do not want to blow up water-wise, but deca will give you a moon face unless you have stuff on hand to take care of that. do you know what those are. have you thouight about hcg for your recovery? how are you going to run it? what about pct? you say you want intput but then you ignore what guys are telling you. are u prone to gyno? what are you going to take if u get it? should you wait till you grow tits and then post up a question about it and then try to get whatever you think you need??
some vets have already given you their opinions. pigmeat and js who know a hell of a lot more than your books or any expert friends you have ,gave you some solid advice. run 500mg week of test e, for 10 weeks simple, if you're worried about aromatizing (if you know what that is), grab a-dex but nolva will prolly be just fine. stay away from the dbol if ur that worried about water.
not to flame you bro, but for someone who has not done as much research as he thinks he has, you are ignoring a lot of solid advice from guys that know - not from what they have read or what someone told them - but what the learned thru experience.
The one guy I know, I asked about how his cycle was going, he had to add 100mg prop E3D. He said he'd never do it again and he said proviron didn't do a lot without the test being there. He is also going right into a 1g test cycle after the PCT for this one. test only
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