Tren E with sustanon? how frequent should I inject

[Ryker77]

Re: Tren E with sustanon? how frequent should I inject

how many ius you got total?

5000iu x three amps

[TSR1969]

Re: Tren E with sustanon? how frequent should I inject

you can run the hcg like js says, or you can run 500ius sat/sun thru the whole thing, either way it will def help your recovery.

you also may want to run prop maybe 150mgs e3d after you stop your sust, that way you have a steady test level until the longer esters in the sust drops out. i cant remember how long the longest ester in sust is active, i think its 14d but it may be 21, someone here will know. either way, i try to end my cycles with prop. that way you have a steady test level until your last prop shot, then 3d later start your pct.

this is as opposssed to ending with a longer ester like enan, you have dwindling test levels, lower and lower every day for 14days until you start your pct. prop is cheap and i figure if ending with it helps me keep a couple pounds of mass its worth it.

[Ryker77]

Re: Tren E with sustanon? how frequent should I inject

doesn't HCG have a shelf life after its mixed up?

I'll use the search button for that answer.

[DangerousGround]

Re: Tren E with sustanon? how frequent should I inject

yes once mixed and re-constituted with bac water hcg lasts 4 to 6 weeks refrigerated

[TSR1969]

Re: Tren E with sustanon? how frequent should I inject

if ur not sure if its still good, buy an ept and put a drop or two on that, if ur pregnant its good

[SMILEY FACE]

Re: Tren E with sustanon? how frequent should I inject

hcg i would take 500 to 1000 ius every 5 days for 1 months and depends on how much u are shut down

[HungarianBeast]

Re: Tren E with sustanon? how frequent should I inject

Weeks 1-3 25mgs Anadrol only on workout days. Tren E 100mgs E3d
Weeks 7-9 15mgs Dbol only on workout days. 2.5mgs Every hour centered around workout time EQ 200mgs E3d
Weeks 13-15 25mgs Winny only on workout days. Tren E 100mgs E3d

Insulin Humalog up to 10ui on low weeks ( 5-6, 11-12, 16-17)workout days only.

All I want is to get about 220-230 lean.

The idea behind all AAS (for men) is an accumilation of a compound or compounds in the system for a steady influx into the bloodstream. Your injectables look good but your orals do not follow this idea. 4 weeks minimum for any oral to get any results.

Insulin may not leave you a lean as you would like. Keep it simple, train hard, ample rest, and plenty of food. This will get you where you want to go if you do it consistantly.

[Ryker77]

Re: Tren E with sustanon? how frequent should I inject

4 weeks minimum for any oral to get any results.

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I find it hard to understand that 25mgs of anadrol for 3 weeks will show no results. But all the sudden if I take another 7 days worth then bam results.

The half-life and the speed or orals are whats great about them. From my little pea brain method of thinking. The body rebuilds and repairs muscle throught out each day - all day long. Not only after 4 weeks.

but i do agree about the slin use. and will work extra hard to eat clean on those days.

[mick-G]

Re: Tren E with sustanon? how frequent should I inject

Originally Posted by Ryker77
Weeks 1-3 25mgs Anadrol only on workout days. Tren E 100mgs E3d
Weeks 7-9 15mgs Dbol only on workout days. 2.5mgs Every hour centered around workout time EQ 200mgs E3d
Weeks 13-15 25mgs Winny only on workout days. Tren E 100mgs E3d

Insulin Humalog up to 10ui on low weeks ( 5-6, 11-12, 16-17)workout days only. [QUOTE] Ryker, seems like you are making this cycle way more confusing than it needs to be. This is what i would do for what you want: 1-8 prop 150mg eod, 1-8 tren 75mg ed, 1-8 var 35mg ed. Or with what you have 250mg sust and 150mg tren Mon/Thurs, drol 35mg wks 1-4, and use the hcg sat/sun 500IU. Very simple. I have to agree your aas is alittle on the low side.

[TSR1969]

Re: Tren E with sustanon? how frequent should I inject

Ryker, seems like you are making this cycle way more confusing than it needs to be. This is what i would do for what you want: 1-8 prop 150mg eod, 1-8 tren 75mg ed, 1-8 var 35mg ed. Or with what you have 250mg sust and 150mg tren Mon/Thurs, drol 35mg wks 1-4, and use the hcg sat/sun 500IU. Very simple. I have to agree your aas is alittle on the low side.

Agreed. use the simple cycle mick suggests, easy to run and you'll grow like a weed

[Ryker77]

Re: Tren E with sustanon? how frequent should I inject

perhaps this will help.

a cut and paste from animals boards user name dogcrapp.

Without sounding cocky I am a very advanced bodybuilder down here in San Diego--cruising at 285lbs or so and going up over 300 this year (again) I came from a very very hard gaining and skinny genetic structure (140lbs about 10 years ago)so gains have never come easy and I didnt start super supplements until I was 240 or so clean (took me 6 years). (I use food as my chief anabolic) What I am amazed at is the number of 180 to 220lb bodybuilders on the net who spend ungodly amounts of money and use so many different exotic compounds thinking that it is the endall super stack of all stacks. And they take huge, huge risks in trying to acquire these drugs. I have had an abundance of pro and top amateur friends to gain the knowledge that pretty much -these top people in the sport are blasting high amounts of test as the base drug in the offseason to put on pro size with mostly one (sometimes two) other compounds (usually fina, or equipoise or some other non exotic drug). (and gh if it can be afforded). I firmly believe you will gain 2 times the amount of muscle off of 2 grams of test either alone or with another compound than having some kind of exotic stack involving 3 to 6 exotic hard to get expensive compounds. The receptor site theories have proven to be bunk. The cheapest and best stack I can think of anyone doing to put on major size is a gram or two of test with arimidex to keep water off with fina 75 to 150mg every other day for 4 weeks --then 2 to 3 weeks of cruising (test at 300-400mg and clomid at 5 (day one), 4(day two), 3(day three),then 2 every day for 2 weeks)--and then back on everything full again (maybe equipoise used instead of fina this time)for 4 weeks (then 2 to 3 weeks cruising again etc etc)---if you cant gain gobs of muscle on that nothing exotic (masteron, etc etc etc) surely isnt going to do it for you. Testosterone is always the base for any gaining cycle of any pro freind Ive had or top people with whom I talked with off record. I have never even been over 1000mg of test myself (yet) but I see guys spending and using 10 times the amount I do weighing 70lbs less. I think there is a major problem when the easiest, cheapest and most potent things are right in front of people and they are off searching for substance B-737 undecylate in bulgaria

Sorry bout that, I wrote that post quickly and I should of been a little more responsible with saying-those dosages are what I am seeing superheavies who have been around for a while doing. I am of the opinion that people should use the lowest dosages possible that will keep them gaining. If a newbie bodybuilder starts off with 2 grams of T every week and a high dose of fina etc etc and eventually taps out on that where is he going to go? 4000 a week? I believe one should make their way up 750, to 1000 to 1200 to 1500 and so on slowly thru cycles. I am an advocate of the 4 week on 2 week cruising (then back on) method not because of receptor site saturation but due to 3 very important (to me) factors...1)I lift extremely heavy and I push the limits for 4 weeks and I just need 2 weeks to kind of regroup myself and then go balls to the wall again with poundages for the next 4 weeks
2)Same with food intake-I religiously get in 500 to 600 grams of protein and I have to give myself a little break for those 2 weeks(i only go down to 400grams or so) or I'll go crazy
3) I think its of utmost importance to keep yourself regulated hpta wise. If your endogenous test levels diminish due to constant months of high androgens when you do finally come off those size gains fly out the door...if you can keep your endo test somewhat normal you wont get the huge problems that keep most bodybuilders bouncing up and down in bodyweight like yo yo's..namely getting colds and flu's/injuries/depression/lack of aggresion and appetite (which usually means test to estrogen ratio out of whack)...During the cruising period the 400mg of test will keep you from losing any muscle at all and the clomid and arimidex will get you as close (via 2 different routes) to homeostasis as possible.


someone messaged me and said they didnt like the idea of only a 4 week cycle. You lost the concept--its not a 4 week cycle at all----its a way of cycling year round non stop or for any length of time you decide---if you run high androgens for a long time or year round and wait until you get off to use clomid and arimidex in the hope of getting normalized quickly you'll be in for a surprise. Boom, depression, sickness, lethargy, rapid muscle loss--- You're endo testosterone and most likely your immune system (with the lowered testosterone) will be impaired to a point too low to bounce back quickly.
My way you blast for 4 weeks--then take 2 weeks (clom/arim/test) and get your endo test and hopefully the immune system back in check without losing any muscle and then go another 4 weeks blasting--then again 2 weeks of clomid with arimidex and testosterone enanth 300-400mg ---and then blast again etc etc ect-----its not a 4 week cycle at all--its months or years straight if someone wants it to be (i wouldnt use fina straight thru like that though). The quickest way (i didnt say the safest) to the most muscle is
sadly to stay on...I would hate to see the testicular atrophy (nevermind endo testosterone levels) of someone who went on for a year straight full dosage thinking clomid and hcg at the very end would take care of him


credit it due. dogcrapp at animals board is author.

[latimer99]

Re: Tren E with sustanon? how frequent should I inject

even supply yes... i dont know what your cycle exp is but those doses are very low, i think it is a waist... jmo

btw... i am about to run 600mgs tren wkly with test, it will be 2injects wkly

[Ryker77]

Re: Tren E with sustanon? how frequent should I inject

I have to agree your aas is alittle on the low side.

The Tren E works out to be 50mgs ED active amounts. Along with sustanon and 25mgs anadrol. If I can't grow off of that then I either need to : EAT, SLEEP or train better.

I could very very easly double the amount and grow like a weed. But I want to do it as safe as possible and enjoy it.

I do think that after 12 weeks I'll need to increase the base sustanon as my LBM increases.


This type of 4-2 repeat will be untill I get sick of eating or I reach a nice size. 6months to 1 year. So I like to keep things on the low "safe" side. I've got enough stretch marks and hernia operations to last a lifetime

[macka]

Re: Tren E with sustanon? how frequent should I inject

Look this is a very simple cycle that has netted great results for many bros

weeks 1-12 test en 500 mg/week
-1-12 EQ or Deca 400mg/week
-1-4 (or 6) dbol 30mg/day

If you are really serious about this sust cycle here is my thought

weeks 1-12 sust 125mg E3D
-1-12 tren e 50mgs E2D first 2 weeks then 200mg twice a week
-12-14 test prop 50mg E2D
-12-14 tren a 50
screw the EQ and orals. You don't like orals your only wasting the money the last 2 weeks will pretty much run you into PCT and you'll see some nice changes on the short esters.