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**rollon** · 02-09-2003, 03:00 PM

Welcome Bro.....listen to these guys....you will learn a lot!

**Darian** · 02-09-2003, 03:50 PM

Bump?

**DeezGunz** · 02-09-2003, 04:40 PM

Welcome to the board bro, wish I had some good advice to give you but I will leave that to the experts!!!

**Aragorn** · 02-09-2003, 04:47 PM

Re: Just need some simple advice

Originally posted by Darian
Hey bros. I'm a new member on this board. It looks great! Hey, so I started a cycle of ICN's twice a week stacked with Yellow tops twice a week. I'm coming up a few weeks short on them, but I have just a couple amps of omnadren and sustanon, or qv test enanthate or propionate to make up for them. i was wondering your guys's thoughts on how to finish off my cycle once I run out of the icn's and yellow tops. oh, i also have some qv deca too. and some qv winstrol, so i am thinking about running the winstrol for the last 2 weeks of my cycle, and all the way up to when i start clomid.

that's the first part of my question. the second part is what to do afterwards. i have clomid, but i want to bridge with something. i can get primo and dbol. what would you guys suggest? i also want to try GH, but i don't think i can afford it right now. i just had some odds and ends that I put together this cycle with, and i want to make the most of it. thanks guys.

First of all welcome.

Second, how many weeks are you going to be short by...you can just add in the enth and qv deca (as I'm more partial to enth

) when you're out of the ICN's and Norma's. Save the winny if you only plan on doing it for two weeks...just run the clomid therapy two weeks after last enth and deca shot.

...as for your bridging question I would say hold off till your next cycle because all ready I can see that you haven't put enough planning and such into the cycle already...you didn't lay out a good foundation so just finish this up as you already have the necessary items. Next cycle plan and incorporate the bridge.

Aragorn

**Darian** · 02-09-2003, 04:58 PM

Thanks Aragorn. That's the kinda help I was lookiong for. I think I did put some good planning into this cycle though, I just ended up coming out a little short because I tossed a few of the amps I had set aside when I was heading toward a DWI checkpoint, just in case my car got searched. Cops are notorious for doing that where I come from! So I'm just a week short of 10 weeks on the Organona Deca, and 2 weeks short on the ICN's. My sense is just to finish up with QV Enanthate too. And on the Winstrol, I plan to do it for 6 weeks, not just 2 weeks. What I meant was that I'd use it for the last 3 weeks of my cycle, and then for the next 3 weeks leading up to Clomid.

And would you really recommend Clomid to start 2 weeks after my cycle, or should I wait 3 weeks? How should I run it? 300 first day, 100 for 10 days, and then 50 for 10 days? If there's a shorter system of taking clomid, i'm all ears because I hate the acne that comes along with it!

And what type of planniong must I do to incorporate a bridge? Wouldn't it be alright to just go ahead with something like 500mg of Primo per week, and maybe some anavar for a certain amount of time? I'm not sure if I understand your point about planning it into my cycle. if i have enough primo and var to run for a few months after this cycle, would that be beneficial, or do you still say to save it? thanks bro.

**Aragorn** · 02-09-2003, 05:11 PM

Well if you do use the winny then you can start clomid right after...and yes 300mg/ 1 day 100mg/ 10 days 50mg/ 10 days is the best way to go.

With the bridging more are inclined to run the AM dbol, I haven't bridged though so maybe someone else can help you on that. As for the planning part...I meant that while planning this cycle you should've also planned the bridge not while you were already started...but to each there own. Good luck.

Aragorn

**Darian** · 02-09-2003, 10:20 PM

Some more opinions? My decision so far looks like:

Week 1-9: ICN's (500mg per week)
Week 1-8: Organon Deca (400mg per week)
Week 10-12: QV Enanthate (500mg per week)
Week 9-12: QV Deca300 (400mg per week)
Week 9: Zambon Winstrol 50mg every day
Week 10-15: QV Stan50 50mg every day
Week 15-17: Clomid
Week 18-28: Primo 400mg per week
Week 18-28: Anavar 40mg every day
Week 18-28: Creatine, glutamine, all that shit.

By the way, stats: 25yo, 5'10, 220, ? bodyfat.

Any comments?

Thanks, you guys are a great help.

**Darian** · 02-10-2003, 11:42 AM

Bump for some advice from the daytime readers? Thanks guys.

**nhmuscle** · 02-10-2003, 11:53 AM

I'm no expert, but if you are going to run the winny I would switch from enth to the prop at the same time. That way you can run the test till a few days before clomid.

**Darian** · 02-10-2003, 12:03 PM

That sounds like a good idea, so that I could start Clomid right away and not have to wait 3 weeks. Any other suggestions or comments?

**Darian** · 02-10-2003, 02:01 PM

Gosh, this thread has been up since yesterday and i haven't really gotten any help except for Aragorn. It would help to get some opinions and guidance guys! Thanks a million, and please respond if you get a chance.

**JohnnyB** · 02-10-2003, 02:44 PM

Originally posted by Darian
Some more opinions? My decision so far looks like:

Week 1-9: ICN's (500mg per week)
Week 1-8: Organon Deca (400mg per week)
Week 10-12: QV Enanthate (500mg per week)
Week 9-12: QV Deca300 (400mg per week)
Week 9: Zambon Winstrol 50mg every day
Week 10-15: QV Stan50 50mg every day
Week 15-17: Clomid
Week 18-28: Primo 400mg per week
Week 18-28: Anavar 40mg every day
Week 18-28: Creatine, glutamine, all that shit.

By the way, stats: 25yo, 5'10, 220, ? bodyfat.

Any comments?

Thanks, you guys are a great help.

Welcome to FG Bro.

Run some prop weeks 13-15 or when you start your winny as suggested. Do your last injection on friday of week 15, start clomid on monday of week 16.

I have not bridged, but have been looking into it. For your bridge you could go 30mg of anavar with 10 grams of creatine and 20 grams of glutamine every day.

JohnnyB

**spidey** · 02-10-2003, 04:14 PM

Originally posted by Darian
And would you really recommend Clomid to start 2 weeks after my cycle, or should I wait 3 weeks? How should I run it? 300 first day, 100 for 10 days, and then 50 for 10 days? If there's a shorter system of taking clomid, i'm all ears because I hate the acne that comes along with it!

What I'm about to say goes against a lot of other (more experienced) bros but the science is real and my own personal experience backs it up.

According to a clinical PK study, peak plasma concentrations of clomid were reached in about 6 hours from a single dose of 50 mg orally. You can't get more of a blood conc. no matter how much you take. Also, the half life is like 5 days! Taking 300 mg in one dose seems extreme to me given that data and only serves to increase the risk and incident of side effects.

At the end of my 11 week tren/test cycle, I took 100 mg ed for 7 days, followed by 50 mg ed for seven days. I had a blood test 1 week after that which showed that my test levels were smack in the middle of the normal range. Therefore, my HPTA was recovered. I didn't lose a pound of my gains until I injured my shoulder and was out of the gym for 6 weeks. Even then, I only lost 5 lbs (out of 27 lbs gained). I am three months post cycle right now and still haven't lost any more weight.

-Spidey

**jack hust** · 02-10-2003, 04:22 PM

welcome bro , i like aragrons advise on this one

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