Side Effects

[DIRTY_SOUTH]

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^ And he should know first hand AZ, He did a an actual test to prove this so its not second hand knowledge to him...The subject acted the same way while taking real gear and then while taking sterile oil...If you don't believe the rest of us you can trust him on this issue.

[mick-G]

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Lol, i remember that! Ok, so what was the cycle before this one and how long duration?, and what were you taking for anti-es and pct for both cycles. Could very well be that your body is just not chemically structured to do aas. Some ppl's bodies just don't react well with it, which is not a bad thing, just you may be one of that group that doesn't respond well. I also have a high temper quite a bit with deca, durabolin, tren, which i really have to work on controling myself when on them or just avoid doing them. I think you also told me you were taking other orals, or am i mistaken? Like i said there are alot of variables and you may be missing something or possibly taking more aas, or combinations that have an adverse reaction with you. Clen can also cause problems in ppl who have anxiety or who are edgy. Next time you may want to try just a hg test cycle, just run ldex with it and do nolva for pct.

[O2BESOHUGE]

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so yall remember me having to swap my brothers gear out with sterile oil, huh? for 9 solid weeks he was telling me that he was "raging" and he had more aggression in the gym. T O T A L B U L L S H I T !!! HE WASNT TAKING ANYTHING!!!

O2

[PIT]

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I MEANT NO DAMMIT TRICK QUESTION! I WANT A REDO!

[DIRTY_SOUTH]

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I remember well brother, that's why I posted what I did...and I think this is the same scenario. Just a mental issue.


Pit!!! Bad Dog!!!!!!

[azlifter]

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Mick. Thanks for your post. Its nice to see that you actually want to help which is cool man.

I ran a cycle of D300 and Winstrol before this one. I had great results I thought. I took nolvadex for the PCT. I did get some nipple pain towards the end of the cycle. I stopped taking the D300 before the winstrol and after about a week or two off the D300 I got the pain. It went away after 2 weeks on the Nolv. I was off for 2-3 months before starting this one. What I am dealing with now is oily skin and headaches which start around noon. The headaches might be the T3 and or Clen. My cycle is posted in a thread with screen prints so you can read it.

Take care man

AZ

Lol, i remember that! Ok, so what was the cycle before this one and how long duration?, and what were you taking for anti-es and pct for both cycles. Could very well be that your body is just not chemically structured to do aas. Some ppl's bodies just don't react well with it, which is not a bad thing, just you may be one of that group that doesn't respond well. I also have a high temper quite a bit with deca, durabolin, tren, which i really have to work on controling myself when on them or just avoid doing them. I think you also told me you were taking other orals, or am i mistaken? Like i said there are alot of variables and you may be missing something or possibly taking more aas, or combinations that have an adverse reaction with you. Clen can also cause problems in ppl who have anxiety or who are edgy. Next time you may want to try just a hg test cycle, just run ldex with it and do nolva for pct.

[mick-G]

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Looked at your spreadsheet quickly, but it looks like you are taking a total of 650mg of test wk split and 200mg wk EQ split during wk. and 150mg total winstrol wk., are you doing it IM? This is my observation and going by what you have said, to me it is my opinion that it is a combination of things. 1. Even though i have not personally used it, i have heard that T-400 can be un-sterile, causing more problems with oil and acne 2. if you have anxiety issues or temper clen can elevate it. 3. winstrol can cause headaches and oily skin. My advice to you would be to next time use a good hg test only, with a low andro ester like the eq you are using. Also if you do use EQ, use a good vet grade like QV and there is a very good ug i can not mention. Instead of using ug deca use the hg Organon yellow tops or better yet if you are prone to gyno use Duraboin which lessens the chance for elevated estrogen levels, and virilization symptoms. It will also give you less water retention, and slower muscle gains, but the muscle gained by durabolin will be higher quality with less loss post cycle. And remember "time on equals same amount of time off." I would also invest in a good liver cleanse like Liv-52 which will help in getting rid of toxins in the body and to drink plenty of water.

[SMILEY FACE]

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i agree wt mick g

[azlifter]

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All are injectable. I am considering to double the EQ and the Winstrol levels. I had the EQ around so I figured I might as well use it. Now I am thinking about getting another bottle and doing that at 500MG a week.

My EQ is Qv. My T400 is Australian and the Aratest is from mexico.

I think I know of the UG you speak of.

On the scale this morning at 230lbs. Thats got to be alot of water. I do feel bloated. 11 lbs up in 2 weeks. I figure I can shed some of that water off or I might just leave it.

Thanks alot for the tips Mick. I ordered and recieved my LIV-52 pills and I started them this morning. The headaches are either then Clen or the T3. As I have had them for days now. I can look back on my Spreadsheet and I got the first headache when I got to 100MCG of T3 and 100MCG of Clen. I am getting used to the clen. Its 12:45 here now. I took the T3 and clen at 7am. I dont feel any effects at all right now. Other then this damn headache thats deep in my head.

AZ

Looked at your spreadsheet quickly, but it looks like you are taking a total of 650mg of test wk split and 200mg wk EQ split during wk. and 150mg total winstrol wk., are you doing it IM? This is my observation and going by what you have said, to me it is my opinion that it is a combination of things. 1. Even though i have not personally used it, i have heard that T-400 can be un-sterile, causing more problems with oil and acne 2. if you have anxiety issues or temper clen can elevate it. 2. winstrol can cause headaches and oily skin. My advice to you would be to next time use a good hg test only, with a low andro ester like the eq you are using. Also if you do use EQ, use a good vet grade like QV and there is a very good ug i can not mention. Instead of using ug deca use the hg Organon yellow tops or better yet if you are prone to gyno use Duraboin which lessens the chance for elevated estrogen levels, and virilization symptoms. It will also give you less water retention, and slower muscle gains, but the muscle gained by durabolin will be higher quality with less loss post cycle. And remember "time on equals same amount of time off." I would also invest in a good liver cleanse like Liv-52 which will help in getting rid of toxins in the body and to drink plenty of water.

[mick-G]

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Try a few Ibuprofin for the headaches. You can get the non brand, as it is the same ingrediant as name brand. It seems to work for me, but i sometime have to take a few in the early evening too. Do you work or work in a stress related environment? This can also elevate temper, anxiety and produce headaches. If so, try to use some stress management. I would really re-evaluate on upping the winstrol, as it may be contributing to the cause of the headaches. Sometimes too much is not always the best. I myself, try not to use more than three aas total during cycle, but i am old.