boldenone undecyclenate vs boldenone base ?

[mike1107]

if you had the choice between both of them, which one would you choose ? a mix ?
what is the interest of the non esterified version of boldenone ?

[Small]

If it's not esterified and not 17 AA, it will be out of the body too quick, no protection against liver enzymes. If you add methyl group, it's dbol.

[mike1107]

I know that bro, but do you think it might be good to frontload with undecyclenate as the esterified takes longer to kick in ?

[Billy_Bathgate]

It should act like a "dbol suspension" . Use it 2 hrs prior to workout for a dbol like kick, without the liver stress. Its not going to act very similar to EQ.

[Small]

I think it's not going to work Suspension like, because of diff melting temp. EQ will not cristalise therefore will hit the blood almost instantly and will be out too quick.
I wouldn't spend any money on it.

[spidey]

Originally posted by Small
I think it's not going to work Suspension like, because of diff melting temp. EQ will not cristalise therefore will hit the blood almost instantly and will be out too quick.
I wouldn't spend any money on it.

What does the melting temp have to do with anything? I expect boldenone to be simular to test suspension in half life. It will be like EQ in action. If you think about it, the active compound in your body when you shoot EQ is boldenone base since the undecylinate ester is cleaved off. Think of it as a sort of time-release boldenone. If you took boldenone base several times a day in small doses to mimic the long half-life of EQ, it should be pretty simular to EQ I would think.

And NO Billy Bathgate, it isn't going to be like dbol. If that was the case, EQ would act like a time release dbol as small doses of boldenone are released continuously as the ester is hydrolized off. From what I've read, EQ isn't even close to dbol for weight and strength gain.

-Spidey

[Billy_Bathgate]

Actually, I would predict the MP to be around 140-160 C.

The longer the ester that is attached, the lower the MP will be. I think that it would crystalize being almost identical to testosterone in structure.

Surely someone has actually used it that can comment though...


Spidey, it will act like dbol. Go look up the structures and look at them. Only thing different between the 2 is a 17-aa.

[Billy_Bathgate]

Here..happned to have it handy

[spidey]

Originally posted by Billy_Bathgate
Actually, I would predict the MP to be around 140-160 C.

The longer the ester that is attached, the lower the MP will be. I think that it would crystalize being almost identical to testosterone in structure.

Surely someone has actually used it that can comment though...


Spidey, it will act like dbol. Go look up the structures and look at them. Only thing different between the 2 is a 17-aa.

I am aware of the structural simularity. I am also a Ph.D. level synthetic organic chemist working in the medical field. Even small structural changes in a compound can cause profound differences in its metabolism and binding to receptors. That is the basis of much of my research. My point is that the active metabolite when you shoot eq IS BOLDENONE, not boldeneone undecylinate. The esterified steroid is completely inactive. If you choose to take boldenone directly instead of waiting for the ester to hydrolize off, how can you expect the results to be different. That's like saying that there is a difference in anabolic effect between testosterone enanthate and testosterone suspension. SORRY, the active compound in both cases is IDENTICAL.

-Spidey

[Billy_Bathgate]

That's like saying that there is a difference in anabolic effect between testosterone enanthate and testosterone suspension. SORRY, the active compound in both cases is IDENTICAL.

Exatly my point! The anabolic efects are the same...but they feel different. IMO Dbol and EQ fall in this perfectly! The do the same thing, but dbols rapid acting makes it feel much different than EQ (just like suspension and Cyp do!).

Look at methyltest and Suspension. I think the same kinda effect is going on here. Take of they methyl group and inject it..you got suspension.

See what Im saying? Many at first glance wouldnt think of Dbol and EQ being "the same" but they very much are IMO. Look at Primo and Winny (quite a bit different albeit, but you see what Im gettin at I think).


EQ does act like a time released dbol IMO and IME.

I think we are on the same pages here, just reading in the opposite directions.

Didnt realise your line of work, take no offence by me posting the structures (they add to the thread anyways).

[BossDJ02]

damn billy! great info!!

[mike1107]

so if I'm using some Dbol on the first 4 weeks of an esterified eq cycle, then there is no need to use an unesterified version of eq ?

[jstrong20]

actualy using an unesterfied version for the first 4 weeks would be a great idea. Its not the same as using dbol. Dbol acts alot diffrent than eq such as being alot more androgenic and not to mention the aromatization and bloat of dbol compared to eq is night and day. Using the unesterfied eq for the first 4 weeks would be the same as doing a cycle of enenthate but using suspension for the first 4 weeks to get blood levels up faster. Even though it won't be needed with the dbol in their I still think it would be a great addition if you did throw the boldenone in their for the first 4 weeks.

[FinaJet07]

i just started using the boldenone undec so we'll see what happens, paul dillet viens here i come lol.

[Billy_Bathgate]

Well, I havent used EQSuspension before, but I still strongly feel that it will have effects very close to dbol. That is based on the above figures.


Maybe not though. Maybe its some where in between. Compare methyltest and suspension. Those are quite similar, but feel a little different.

Somebody used it on another board, let me try to find that post.