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[DIRTY_SOUTH]

Ok, check this out. I've never done Fina and I've never done Deca...imagine that, just 2 things. Anyways...I've got a shit load of stuff that a good friend has been helping me compile here...So with that said this is what's up right now. I'm currently eating lean as hell very few cals at all and I'm running Xenadrine 4ed with 75mgs Ephedra and 300mgs Guaifenaesin. I'm trying this for the next 6 weeks doing alot of cardio and high reps, I really just want to cut out the bloat and fat that I gained reallyyyyy fast by taking a few weeks out of the gym. Now what I want to do is probably another long cycle maybe something like a 24weeker. Anyone got any input as to what they would run or how they would plan this cycle? Keep in mind I'm wanting to use deca and my fina. I know if you use both at the same time they'll shut you down so I'm kinda trying to figure out the placement of them so they aren't so close together. Also I know for sure that I'm going to use prop and cyp and I've got dbol,winny,and eq as well. So bring on the cycle suggestions.

[Got Gear?]

What are your main goals?

Pure bulk, Bulk will staying lean, or cutting? Pure bulk would focus on muscle mass.. whereas a cutter will focus on fat loss..

[DIRTY_SOUTH]

Bulk while trying to stay lean without too much water retention but, main concern is lean muscle MASS! I've got my ldex,aroma,nolva, and clomid all on the way too so you know I'll be throwing that in the mix too.

[ByRoN]

hey bro i got an idea send me whatever you don't use i need a cycle or two

[rado]

lean mass-tren/prop/eq/maybe some anavar
bulk-deca/test/slin and maybe some anavar

Get some liq for the bloat.

[Got Gear?]

Bulk while trying to stay lean without too much water retention but, main concern is lean muscle MASS! I've got my ldex,aroma,nolva, and clomid all on the way too so you know I'll be throwing that in the mix too.

OK, here's what I reccomend.

Test Enanthate/cypionate weeks 1-24 600mg/wk
Anadrol weeks 1-4 75mg ED.
Deca weeks 1-17 500mg/wk
Tren weeks 18-26 75 mg ED
Winny weeks 22-26 50mg ED.
l-dex weeks 1-30 0.5mcg ED.
Nolva/Clomid PCT starts week 27.

I'd also be very tempted to throw in some HCG say 1000iu ED weeks 25&26 and also 1000iu ED for 1 week around week #12.

If your concerned about bloat.. maybe switch that Anadrol for winny, but Anadrol will give you way more mucle mass...

[Cpt. Caveman]

lean mass-tren/prop/eq/maybe some anavar
bulk-deca/test/slin and maybe some anavar

Get some liq for the bloat.

good advice . . .maybe some tren on the bulker toward the end for some vascularity?? just my .02

[DIRTY_SOUTH]

Thanks GG, That cycle is about what I had figured but I'm going to be using dbol instead of drol. I"ve got Nolva,ldex,aroma, and clomid...that's a given but I'm going to get some HCG...Thanks bro

[Got Gear?]

Thanks GG, That cycle is about what I had figured but I'm going to be using dbol instead of drol. I"ve got Nolva,ldex,aroma, and clomid...that's a given but I'm going to get some HCG...Thanks bro

No problem buddy.
I think you will be very happy with that cycle.

[DIRTY_SOUTH]

Thanks again everyone, Anyone want to voice their concerns on being shut down too hard from the deca and tren together? Also I am prone to gyno so I know I'll be running alot of Nolva.

ohh, and also GG I think I'll throw some prop in there at the beginning and at the end.

[Got Gear?]

I think the prop at the beginning and end is a good idea. I would keep the d-bol dose to 30mg ED then however..

If your running liquidex, I wouldn't bother with the nolva until you notice gyno symptoms... too much anti-e's will hurt your gains, and just isn't healthy.

My workout partner is gyno prone. 0.5mcg of liquidex ED seems to do very nicely for him.. even while on 900mg/wk of test and 100mg ED of anadrol.

[rado]

HCG say 1000iu ED weeks 25&26 and also 1000iu ED for 1 week around week #12.

hmmm......no need for that much HCG at all. He could do 400-500iu's E4D and be fine with that, no need for ALL that hcg. And run the HCG from the start to finish followed by proper PCT


GG-I love ya' and all, but damn kid, that's a shit load of HCG

[DIRTY_SOUTH]

Thanks GG, I'm going to run the ldex but there's no way in hell I'm gonna keep the dbol down to 30mgs....I'm a dbol fiend!! probably somewhere between 50-75mgs. And I'll have the nolva on alert for the first signs of any puffines or scratchy nips.

[rado]

Thanks GG, I'm going to run the ldex but there's no way in hell I'm gonna keep the dbol down to 30mgs....I'm a dbol fiend!! probably somewhere between 50-75mgs. And I'll have the nolva on alert for the first signs of any puffines or scratchy nips.

no need for the high amount of d-bol either, more is not always better, especially d-bol. all that bloat

[Got Gear?]

hmmm......no need for that much HCG at all. He could do 400-500iu's E4D and be fine with that, no need for ALL that hcg. And run the HCG from the start to finish followed by proper PCT


GG-I love ya' and all, but damn kid, that's a shit load of HCG

Lol... yeah It's alot of HCG. What can I say.. I like to use lots and it's pretty cheap.. nothing like big full boys.

DJ, he's right. You could get by quite nicely with about 1/2 of that HCG dose.