Putting together next cycle... couple ?'s

[RollPlayer]

I am in the process of putting together my next cycle which I won't be starting for 11 weeks or so, as much as I hate to wait.

Here is what I have in my hand so far:
10ml T400
10ml ARATEST 2500
Clomid & Nolva

I am planning to pick up 10ml of QV DECA 300. Also thinking about getting some b12.

I was going to use 600wk TEST (half cc T400, half cc ARATEST to help dilute the T400), 300wk DECA, shooting twice a week. Depending on how much the shot hurts I may pick up some b12, but I think by diluting with ARATEST & DECA the shot should be fine.

My question is should I try Boldenone (EQ) instead? Or could I use it with? I'm not really looking to get HUGE, but definitly stronger and built in certain areas. Maybe pick up another 10lbs. Also, is it not a good idea to run EQ with DECA? I think it might help with my appetite since by the end of my previous cycle I couldn't stand to look at food.

Any thoughts would help. Thanks.

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I'm running Test/Tren/EQ right now. I've run both Deca and EQ, and although I need to run it longer and it's more $$$, I'm an EQ fan, for sure.

[RollPlayer]

come on people.


bump, bump it up

[FUZO]

I'M A BIG FAN OF RUNNING BOTH DECA 400MG AND EQ 600MG AT THE SAME TIME 600MG TEST IS FINE

[O2BESOHUGE]

IF YOUR TRYING TO BULK, ID GO WITH THE DECA. IF YOUR TRYING TO STAY LEAN, GO WITH THE EQ.

SOUNDS GOOD,
GOOD LUCK,
O2

[mick-G]

Here is an option. Use the Durabolin which is very similar. There is less water retention then with Deca and less harsh on hpta. I was using the Organon Deca yellow tops and switched last wk and i feel alot better and no limp noodle lol! I would say it is very similar to EQ, but faster acting. I'm currently doing 100mg Durabolin=1cc plus 250mg Karachi sust=1cc for a 2cc inject. Injecting Mon, Thursday and Sat just the Durabolin for total of 12wks, jumpstarting with Bioreactor @ 40mg ed for first 6wks.

[RollPlayer]

Mick-g, what is 'Bioreactor'?

300mg of the Durabolin is enough? Is it necessary to inject that often with the Durabolin? I think I can only handle two shots a week.

I'm thinking that adding 200mg QV BOLD a week that my appetite will increase enough to keep me eating through out my cycle. Plus, it can help dilute the T400 along with the DECA.

Yay or Nay.

Fuzo, should I run the EQ higher than the DECA if I choose to go this route and run them together?

[mick-G]

I was just giving you an option to the Deca, as I started retaining alot of water with the Deca and the Durabolin is a kind of fast acting deca, but you have to inject more ofter because it has a shorter halflife. It is a good alternative to deca and very similar to EQ in effect. I personally think that using EQ @ 200mg/wk is a total waste of aas as you need at least 500mg/wk for 14wks to see good results. Bioreaktor is a type of Russian dbol. Here is a profile of Durabolin:
Active Life: 2-3 days
Drug Class: Anabolic/Androgenic Steroid (injectable)
Average Dose: Men 150-600 mg/week.....Women 50-100 mg/week
Acne: Yes, in higher dosages or sensitive individuals
Water Retention: Yes, but less than nandrolone decanoate
High Blood Pressure: Dose depandant
Liver Toxic: No
Aromatization: Low, converts to less active norestrogens
DHT Conversion: No, converts to NOR-DHT with low activity
Decrease HPTA function: Yes, moderate except in high dosages
Other Info: Highly anabolic/moderate androgenic effects

Durabolin is very similar to the popular Deca-Durabolin. Durabolin must be injected frequently and in regular intervals, every 2-3 days. The substance nandrolone-phenylpropionate quickly gets into the blood, where it remains active for two to three days. The dosage is around 50-150 mg per injection, or a total of 150-600 mg/week. Durabolin has a distinct anabolic effect which assists the protein synthesis and allows the protein to be stored in the muscle cell in large amounts. This is combined with a moderate androgenic component which stimulates the athlete's regeneration and helps maintain the muscle mass during a diet. It shows that Durabolin stores much less water in the body than Deca-Durabolin. For this reason, Durabolin is more suitable for a preparation for a competition while Deca should be given preference for the buildup of strength and muscle mass. Durabolin, however, can be used for this purpose as well. The gains are fewer and slower than with Deca but of a higher quality and remain, for the most part, after discontinuing the compound. This is mostly due to the fact that lower dosages are used in most cases, resulting in less HPTA suppression.


The side effects of Durabolin are few. Water retention, high blood pressure, an elevated estrogen level, and virilization symptoms occur less often with Durabolin than with Deca-Durabolin. Female athletes therefore take Durabolin in weekly intervals since, due to its short duration of effect, no undesirable concentration of androgen takes place. Three to four day intervals between the relative injections are to be observed. Durabolin is one of the safest non-toxic steroids offering satisfactory results. Durabolin has no negative effect on the liver function so it can even be taken in cases of liver disease. Side effects occur only in rare cases and in persons who are extremely sensitive. Virilization symptoms in women such as huskiness, deep voice, hirsutism, acne, and increased libido are possible but occur only rarely if reasonable dosages are taken at reasonable intervals. Men usually experience no symptoms with Durabolin. Since the release of gonadotropins in the hypophysis is inhibited, a proper post cycle therapy of HCG and Nolvadex/Clomid is recommended.

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Mick, how is this stuff cost-wise? Ballpark. With my source it is a good idea to know upfront so he doesn't try to pull some BS price hike.

I'm planning 12-14weeks. I still have some items to pick up and the Durabolin might be worthwhile although I am still hesitant about shots that often. I was planning on Mondays & Thursdays.

Also, I'm not looking exclusively for gains from running a bottle of EQ 200. I was hoping it would increase my appetite since I heard EQ is great for that purpose. Would 200mg a week of EQ work for that? I also heard b12 can help with appetite as well. Either way, 10ml of BOLD 200 doesn't cost much so if you think it might work for the appetite thing I thought it might be more benificial than just b12.

[RollPlayer]

Looks like mick-g is gone... can someone else answer the above questions?

Muchos gracias.

Bump, Bump it up

[RollPlayer]

Still looking for an answer to the question 2 posts above...

Bumpity bump

[mick-G]

YGM. I can not mention price on open forum lol. Also it is much less expensive to use B-12 injectable complex than to use 200mg of EQ per wk and you will still get the appetite. What iam doing is injecting durabolin at 1ml for 100mg and drawing up 1ml of the Sust Karachi in the same inject. Doing it Monday and Thursday then just injecting 1 1/2 ml of just the Durabolin on Saturday. So Iam getting 500mg/wk of the Sust and 350mg/wk of the Durabolin. I am running total of 12 wks. and start pct of clomid three wks after last inject. I also doing 40mg ed of russian dbol for first 5 wks. I am right not starting to feel the strength increase in filling up real good, getting dense like on EQ, but i would not be seeing this until 6-7 wks from the EQ as it is not very fast in acting.

[RollPlayer]

mick, the b12 will be sufficient to increase the appetite? Would there be absolutley no benifit to using the EQ vs the b12? B12 would be a lot healthier that's for sure... LOL

[badasz32]

i love t-400 and eq, run the eq @400 mg a week and you can eat yourslef into poverty, get 2 bottles of eq and you can run it @400mg a week for 10 weeks along with 1cc of your t-400, it will be a great 10 weeker, most say you should run eq longer cause it kick in 6-7 weeks, using it @ 200mg a week i dont think you feel anything.

[RollPlayer]

Originally posted by badasz32
i love t-400 and eq, run the eq @400 mg a week and you can eat yourslef into poverty, get 2 bottles of eq and you can run it @400mg a week for 10 weeks along with 1cc of your t-400, it will be a great 10 weeker, most say you should run eq longer cause it kick in 6-7 weeks, using it @ 200mg a week i dont think you feel anything.

I am planning to run:
12-14 weeks (not decided which yet)
1. 600mg/wk TEST (combination of T400 & ARATEST; actually totals 650mg but I'm not counting the PROP)
2. 300mg/wk DECA (Possibly stacked with 200mg EQ to increase appetite and improve vascularity; total of 500mg between the two)
3. b12, to help dilute the T400 if the DECA/EQ doesn't do the trick.
Nolva & Clomid for PCT

I want to use DECA because I really like its effect on my joints. Otherwise I would consider dropping it and running 400mg EQ instead.

If I kick it off with some d-bol, what's the LEAST I could use to start it off? I see mick-g is taking 40mg ed. Is that the norm?