first cycle

[beach_dude]

Hey everyone I'd just like to say this board is awesome keep up the good work.

I have been training natural for 5 years now and reading about steroids here and there for about the same peroid of time. I knew the day would come where I would need to satisfy my curiosity. I started my first cycle last week w/ 300mg of deca. the rest of my cycle will be 400mg for week 2 - 9 then 300 to end on week ten. tommorow I am supposed to shoot 400mg (week 2) the problem is I was sick 2 weeks ago and then I was fine so I started my cycle, at the end of my first week the virus came back and I feel kinda shitty again I know this won't really affect my workouts I was just wondering if anyone else has gotten sick while on a cycle? I heard deca is supposed to help your immune system. Also how long untill I notice some gains on deca? And lastly I have never heard of deca dick untill I came on this board, I know some guys who have never had problems. If it happens to me and I can't get any test would dbol help or something like tribulus?

thanks.

[beach_dude]

as of now just deca.

[RollPlayer]

Listen to the girl.... she's right! MUST HAVE TEST!

[IntensityX]

Dude not to flame you but how can you have researched for 5 years on steroids to end up doing a deca only cycle which is a damn no no in this game,you should have known that test is always a basis for any cycle,doing a deca cycle will turn your penis into mush real quick and you did not mention any kind of PCT,if you don't have any kind of PCT or any a kind of anti e on hand then you have just screwed yourself over,my friend you got a lot more researching to do,I would stop like GP said before you fuck yourself over badly.

[beach_dude]

why is the deca/dbol stack so famous then if it is such a problem.
Someone else posted here saying they did deca alone and had no problem at all. When you take any drug even aspirin there is a chance you will get side effects. I have read time and time again that deca is a fairly mild steroid compared to the others and will not likely aromatize at the 400mg level.

What is PCT?

I'm am fucking confused because this is the first I have heard of this.

Musclemag said a couple years ago that Australia was using deca for male birth control. Because when you use it you should blanks while on it. I now there is a chance of having a limp dick but I have also read many times even on medical sites there can also be sexual overstimulation.

Like I said before I know dudes that have never had a problem.

Thanks for looking out for me , i dont know what i'm gonna do yet.

[HungarianBeast]

Originally posted by beach_dude
Thanks for looking out for me , i dont know what i'm gonna do yet.

1.You need to read all the information you can find on this and other boards.

2. Stop injecting the deca now. Save it.

3. Get test and nolvadex(tamoxifen)

4. Reorganize your cycle and begin.

[Audiowaves252]

Originally posted by beach_dude
why is the deca/dbol stack so famous then if it is such a problem.

lol when was that famous??? Test, deca and dbol sure but deca alone is a big no no.

[JohnnyB]

Originally posted by beach_dude


What is PCT?

Wow 5 year of reading and you missed this, Bro you need to go back to the drawing board. Everyone is trying to help you here not bash you. Bro there are books out there that have people using grams of gear a week for 4-6 weeks because they think it's the way to go, but the general comsenses is test at 400-500mg for 10-12 week is the best first cycle.

JohnnyB

[JohnnyB]

Where are my manors

Welcome to FG

JohnnyB

[bronco21]

I did deca by itself for my first cycle... and this is back when I could only get it in doses of 50mg, so I only took about 300mg a week for 8 weeks. I gained about 18 pounds/kept 13 and all of my lifts went up dramatically...no sides at all. There are people who do not experience deca-dick, but I have always heard most do. I was only 19 at the time, so maybe my sex drive was just to high to be affected. I have never taken deca without test since, but don't believe that your skrewed if you do. Don't forget PCT, although I did not use that either on my first couple of cycles...no problems. Guess I have more luck than anyone else on this board.

[angryoldman]

I think most experienced users know
Deca only=limp dick
However for the newer people coming into the game, it depends on who you read or where you read that they can get some bad info. In my opinion, Bill Roberts is a very knowlegeable and respected man in the anabolic steroid area. But if you read some of Bills stuff, he talks about Deca only cycles, Dbol only cycles, etc... Bill never corrects his readers about doing these cycles with some form of Test. Just go to a search engine like yahoo and put in "Bill Roberts Deca only cycle". You'll be amazed. So to say no one talks about Deca dbol cycles would be a little off the mark. Here's one:

One more question if I may. If I do a Deca only cycle and take Clomid along with it at 50 mgs a day what do I do after the cycle to help bring the natural Test back? Keep taking the Clomid? And at what dosage.

Thanks Bill, I really appreciate your suggestions.

Joel

Actually, there is no real reason to take Clomid while on a Deca-only cycle.. If Dianabol were added, then 1 mg Clomid per 1 mg Dianabol is definitely sufficient for antigyno purposes, and really ½ mg Clomid per 1 mg Dianabol is probably sufficient. And if one is susceptible to gyno from Deca, no amount of Clomid will block that anyway. Winstrol might.

[mick-G]

It is very hard for me to believe you spent 5yrs and don't know what pct is or that you never use Deca alone. Sure you can use the dbol stack, but you must also implement test @ 400mg/wk at least. I learned this in the first few weeks of research. What are your sources of study on this? Just this board?, or what ppl have told you. It is evident that you have not done the proper research or talked to the wrong ppl. Can i ask your age?? If you want pm me and i'll give you some places to look at that will be usefull. As for now you really need to get off the Deca asap!

[pigmeat]

Dont take this wrong everybody, but years ago i ran 2 deca cycles with no test, 300mg, and 400 mg. the first time was 8 weeks, and I ran dbol 6 weeks with it, and the next was a 12 weeker with 50 mg proviron a day. No limp dick at all. It stayed as hard as ever, until pct, then i had a little trouble.


Not everyone will get deca dick,or have serious shrinkage. Is it worth the risk. No. Not IMO.

When i did this i was not educated, and would never run anything without test. Why would I? Test is so cheap why not?

And you are right about the legacy of deca/d-bol. It was the big thing over in Europe in the 80's, but so was d-bol only.