FINA-why not a beginners?

[shasha213]

I read articles and books about fina with pharse words like "extremely potent" and "very strong androgen" and think is this all relative to the amount you take on a weekly basis. If fina is 3xs more potent than test then do the ratios 750mg of test=250mg of fina on a weekly basis. Sticking around that amount for a newbie should be safe right? Speaking of safety compared to other heavy steroids fina does not aromatize so noticeable water retention is not as likely, gyno either right?
Sounds like an oxymoron safe steroid If I wanted noticeable h2o retention I would use creatine which by the way gave me slight acne and signs of gyno (itchy and puffyness around the nipple for a week or two). I told some friends about it thinking it might be my pectorial muscles somehow responding to the work-outs always thinking something was off. Since being on this board and using creatine off and on for 9 yrs, i am not only learning about steroids but what some of my past sides from creatine were. I am not trying to compare these two in safety btw, just comparing what creatine did to me and what these silmilar side effects steroids have on people. Anyway, I got off track about what I was wanting to say and wanted to elaborate more but this post is getting to long. btw wanted to thank all from top to bottom for the knowledge you given me so far, I prefer to hear from those who have done it first hand and here your results. In some funny way you are all my lab rats I kid I kid thanks

[DOUBLE J]

You seem like an intelligent person.

I do think you are over simplifying this a little.

Fina(tren) is a strong AS that is true. It cares a lot of potential for growth but in return carries more potent and visable sides.
This includes hair loss worse than most, more potenial for aggression than most other compounds, Bad insomnia, high BP, Cramping, ect.

Tren also requires at least eod injections and most feel it is much better to do ed injections. Many first timers have a problem with this aspect as well.

Can it be used first time out? Yes, but it is not recommended because of all the possible sides that a 1st timer has yet to learn to deal with. Also being probably the strongest androgen where do you go from here?
You have used the strongest compound first instead of more managable compounds that will give you similar results for several cycles.

Lastly you need to run test with Tren anyway.

[cbr929]

I agree.....For your first cycle all you need is test 500mg/wk remember your just getting your feet wet don't jump the gun

[rckpytn]

i decided to go with tren for a first cycle, everything is going good, but this week has been bad. My BP rose from 131/something to 170/89, i have a real hard time sleeping, i get really really pissed off at the littlest stupid shit, and tons of cramping. I didn't know any AAS caused cramping, i was just going to make a post about that. For no reason i will just cramp up, and it happens in the weirdest spost, my jaw muscles did it today, my abs, lower back, and others.

Now for the good part of tren, all of my lifts have gone up a ton, i have gained over 20 lbs in 4 weeks, i am pretty happy about that.

[shasha213]

Originally posted by DOUBLE J
You seem like an intelligent person.

I do think you are over simplifying this a little.

Fina(tren) is a strong AS that is true. It cares a lot of potential for growth but in return carries more potent and visable sides.
This includes hair loss worse than most, more potenial for aggression than most other compounds, Bad insomnia, high BP, Cramping, ect.

Tren also requires at least eod injections and most feel it is much better to do ed injections. Many first timers have a problem with this aspect as well.

Can it be used first time out? Yes, but it is not recommended because of all the possible sides that a 1st timer has yet to learn to deal with. Also being probably the strongest androgen where do you go from here?
You have used the strongest compound first instead of more managable compounds that will give you similar results for several cycles.

Lastly you need to run test with Tren anyway.

yes I agree about the shots I have know idea what I am in for, but test prop is eod right. I know take test e. You stated fina probably being the strongest androgen where do you go from there, i agree, i found that to be a very good point. As far as sides water retention is water retention, acne is acne as well as slight gyno and blood pressure this being the worst imo. I am not even talking about steroids here, I am talking about creatine. You can get all those sides from creatine. I know because using creatine for long periods of time caused water retention and raised my bp. when your adding bulk in your diet you tend to have a lot of sodium(admit it), creatine causes your blood cells to expand allowing more water to be stored in cells and sodium helps store the water, which is why they say drink a lot of water with creatine. I am paraphrasing what I read up on years ago, I may be talking out of my ass and feel free to correct my explanation on how it works, but it still causes water retention which caused my bp to raise. Obviously, fina is much more potent not to simplify it seems that way i know. My point is more than 90% people have already used creatine b/f they used steroids(i am guessing) so they must have already seen these sides to some degree before they started steroids. So if a newbie uses 250mg a week as opposed to a experienced user lets say 500mg
it shouldnt cause as big of a shock to the body. I never hear from those who wish they didnt start there first cycle with fina and why? are there any out there I am curious?post is getting long again so I will shut up

[shasha213]

[QUOTE]Originally posted by rckpytn
[B]i decided to go with tren for a first cycle, everything is going good, but this week has been bad. My BP rose from 131/something to 170/89,


what is your mg intake a week?

[wheelbarrel]

Originally posted by rckpytn
My BP rose from 131/something to 170/89,

i have a real hard time sleeping,

i get really really pissed off at the littlest stupid shit,

and tons of cramping.

Go to your doc and get a script for BP meds. I'm on fosipril, keeps mine down. Watch you sodium intake.

I get the aggression too, you just have to control it, save it up and use it for the workout.

Take a sleeping pill, I use diphenhydramine (med in tylonal PM).

Drink plent of water and take extra potasium.

[SMILEY FACE]

tren is harsh on the liver, wait couple more cycles till ur body get use to AS and then try it , u will love it

[shasha213]

Originally posted by big_mike1979
tren is harsh on the liver, wait couple more cycles till ur body get use to AS and then try it , u will love it

really, theres another word characterization "harsh" on the liver. harsh compared to what other steroids. being that this is an injectable i would assume it would be less harsh on the liver as opposed to d-bol or other orals. I have read you should be able to counter this with milk thistle, cran juice, ala, water ect.. Also hemorrhagic cystic degeneration by def. is liver damaged cause by c17 alpha alkylated steroids, ex. of these are d-bol, winny, anadrol. surely these are more likely to cause liver damage b/f fina a 19-nor hormone. Do you speak from experience on this issue. I not saying its "not" toxic just saying starting of in moderation should be alright compared to other steroids. I have never done steroids so i really dont have a leg to stand on but i havent been convienced by research that its not a good starter.

[rckpytn]

[QUOTE]Originally posted by shasha213
[B]

Originally posted by rckpytn
i decided to go with tren for a first cycle, everything is going good, but this week has been bad. My BP rose from 131/something to 170/89,


what is your mg intake a week?

i am at 75mg ED

[jamesbrosky]

thats kind of a hefty dose fer a first time. I got great results at 75mg eod. Lowering that dose a tad might ease your sides some while still gaining...

[shasha213]

Originally posted by jamesbrosky
thats kind of a hefty dose fer a first time. I got great results at 75mg eod. Lowering that dose a tad might ease your sides some while still gaining...

was tren your 1st steroid ever used, if so was it worth it, were your sides as expected or worse?

[rckpytn]

yeah this is my first cycle. Fuck yes it was worth it, i am getting the BP under control, the cramps arent that bad, and i actually like having the extra anger, it helps when i workout.

[shasha213]

Originally posted by rckpytn
yeah this is my first cycle. Fuck yes it was worth it, i am getting the BP under control, the cramps arent that bad, and i actually like having the extra anger, it helps when i workout.

good to hear your bp is getting better, whats the reason? lower doses, better diet, or bp meds. this is something i will be watching when i start

[DOUBLE J]

If you decide to run tren on your first cycle let me at least say to keep(Start) your dose at no higher than 100mg/eod.
Tren has about a 3 day half-life and if you insist on going higher you can do it a little at a time. Your body will be at max serum levels at the end of week two. It will take 4 wks (approx) to show on your body but after about 3 wks you will have an idea whats happening side effect wise.