First Cycle

[mitsumaster]

I am at a serious plateau, I have tried new routines and nothing works. I am still 6ft and 215lbs. I am going to do a cycle to get past this plateau. The one thing that worries me is that I have heard that some test will aromatize and turn to estrogen. That is a problem because I do not want ***** tits. I know it wont happen if i do only one cycle.

[ironman]

gyno can happen even with one cycle. Do your homework and have nolvadex and clomid on hand. Test will aromitize, but it will make you grow! Gather alot of info on your cycle and you will do well!

[Manic Behavior]

this problem can be easily avoided by using liquidex

[hostile]

Yes, gyno from tes can be easily avoided. What kind of cycle are you thinking of?

For a first cycle you could do something like this:

week 1-10 500tes enanthate each week
week 1-10 400deca each week

liquidex @ .25mg each day
nolvadex on hand in case of symptoms of gyno

clomid for post cycle @ 300mg first day/100mg ten days/50mg ten days.

You need to educate yourself and come up with your own cylcle. I just wrote that because I am bored.

[mitsumaster]

thanks but what is gyno, and what is liquidex.
tes enanthate and deca are what my friends say are what I should take.

[thegame01]

Gyno = ***** tits
Liquidex = no ***** tits (from test anyways)
Deca could cause progesterone gyno which cant be controlled except with Bromo .But should be ok at low doses

You have a lote of reading to do my friend . AS are good and fairly safe (i think) if they are done right .

Dont fuck around bro and get educated before you play with that stuff. Then post all the questions you got .never mind what your friend tell you to take ,take what you want to take

Good luck and good reading
GZ

[mitsumaster]

Thanks man, I have been reading a lot and I think this seekend I will pick up some stuff. I have read about 4 or 5 books about the side effects and injection spots pros/cons. I think I am ready

[jack hust]

you can still get b-tits with ldex it all depends on if your prone

[hostile]

Originally posted by jack hust
you can still get b-tits with ldex it all depends on if your prone

This is very true. I usually have had to use nolvadex along with liquidex on my last two cycles.

[alwayzgrowing]

Originally posted by jack hust
you can still get b-tits with ldex it all depends on if your prone

very right. thatz why you can just up the dosage of ldex

[JohnnyB]

I'd go test only with l-dex and nolvadex on hand. That will get you through your plateau. Once you know how your body reacts to test, then you can add some EQ or Deca on your next cycle.

JohnnyB

[spidey]

Originally posted by JohnnyB
I'd go test only with l-dex and nolvadex on hand. That will get you through your plateau. Once you know how your body reacts to test, then you can add some EQ or Deca on your next cycle.

JohnnyB

That's pretty solid advice. As long as your diet is good (3500-4000 cal, 300 grams protein/day) and you work out religiously (4:1 split is good), you will grow with just 500 mg test enanthate/week. At that low of a dosage, you may not even need liquidex but have some on hand (as well as nolvadex) just in case. Rub your nipples in the shower every day and if they get the least bit sensitive, start the liquidex at 1 mg eod and nolvadex at 20 mg ed without delay. Gyno absolutely requires estrogen to develop. Block the estrogen and it can't get any worse. You could start out taking the liquidex as a preventative measure (many people do) but you need a certain amount of estrogen to grow.

My first cycle was a 11 week tren/test cycle without any estrogen protection. I did not heed the warnings of sensitive nipples and payed dearly for that mistake. I was fine until about 5 weeks AFTER my cycle ended. Then, all of a sudden, I developed a little gyno. Not too bad and not noticeable to others but it scared the shit out of me, LOL. I have had to take nolvadex (20 mg ed), arimidex (1 mg eod) and bromocriptin (2.5 mg ed) for more than a month to make it all go away. It is pretty much gone now (thank god).

-Spidey

[alwayzgrowing]

Originally posted by spidey
That's pretty solid advice. As long as your diet is good (3500-4000 cal, 300 grams protein/day) and you work out religiously (4:1 split is good

do you mean a 4 day on a,d 1 day off routine for lifting? so four dayz of lifting, and one of rest?