sust or prop ?

[benrock]

i want to harden up , i have qv prop 100 and karachi sust , how could i use these to cut up , this is all i want to take for now , nothing else , big fan of just test cycles !!!

also i have l-dex or proviron for anti e's

thanks

[cbr929]

either one is great and both are just going to come down to your diet but with the prop there is going to be less bloat what have you got for PCT

[benrock]

clomid , nolvadex , what should i get ,

if i run the sust once every 5 days , am i going to bloat more then the prop ?

i like using human grade

what do you think on that

[cbr929]

if you do the sust it needs to be shot Every other day becasue it has prop in it and you shouldn't bloat that bad on wither if you run an Anti-e.....also clomid will be fine for PCT

[mick-G]

How many cycle you have under your belt?, cause sust eod equals 1gram a wk and IMO, i think this is too much. You can spit dosage Mon and Thursday for 500mg/wk and still get good results, because of the sustained release of the test. I would also run the proviron at 50mg split one in morning and evening. It helps anabolic effect of test and will harden you up.

[mcbvr6]

Originally posted by mick-G
How many cycle you have under your belt?, cause sust eod equals 1gram a wk and IMO, i think this is too much.

Just draw the whole amp, shoot half, put a new pin on it (with it capped), and save it until your next shot. You don't have to shoot the whole amp just because you opened it.

[71olds442]

Originally posted by mcbvr6
Just draw the whole amp, shoot half, put a new pin on it (with it capped), and save it until your next shot. You don't have to shoot the whole amp just because you opened it.

NO! thats CRAZY. if anything draw up 1/2 ml in 1 pin, 1/2ml in another... use 1 and store the other pin. dont reuse the same needle or syringe... dont store syringes after they have been used at all

[mick-G]

What i meant was, if he is pretty new to aas, he can inject 250 one amp on Mon and another amp on thursday for 500mg/wk total. It will still give him good results. Don't have to inject 1/2 ml eod.

[71olds442]

if you are only doing 2 shots a week, dont do sust. you can get some human grade enanthate for cheaper anyway i bet.

[mick-G]

Originally posted by 71olds442
NO! thats CRAZY. if anything draw up 1/2 ml in 1 pin, 1/2ml in another... use 1 and store the other pin. dont reuse the same needle or syringe... dont store syringes after they have been used at all

I guess this would work, but is what you r saying is that if you only take two shots at 250mg an inject that you will not get good results? Because i have heard ppl doing this way and have had a good outcome.

[71olds442]

to get the most out of steroids, you need to keep stable blood levels... sust has 2 short esters (prop, phenylprop) in it... to maximize those two, you should shoot them eod or ed... some people do phenylprop e3d, but in general, to get the most out of sust, eod or ed shots would be best. if you want to do 2 shots a week, use enanthate straight up. it will yield more stable blood levels... so less sides and better gains should be the result

[benrock]

i dont get it , my boys take sust once a week and get large ? i understand the prop theory but i was always told sust every 4-5 days ,

???????????????????????????????????? experts please??????????????

[mcbvr6]

Originally posted by 71olds442
NO! thats CRAZY. if anything draw up 1/2 ml in 1 pin, 1/2ml in another... use 1 and store the other pin. dont reuse the same needle or syringe... dont store syringes after they have been used at all

Explain why it is crazy. While your idea may be arguably more sterile, unless you draw blood into the syringe when you aspirate, you are not introducing any biological material into the syringe. If you use a new needle there is virtually no increased risk of infection that I can think of. If it is because of the exposure to the air, what do you think happens everytime you pump air into a multi-use vial before you draw from it? In any event the BA will kill almost anything that could be introduced into the syringe.

[mcbvr6]

Originally posted by benrock
i dont get it , my boys take sust once a week and get large ? i understand the prop theory but i was always told sust every 4-5 days ,

???????????????????????????????????? experts please??????????????

By injecting the sust eod you are able to keep you test levels more stable which should lead to fewer sides. However, keep in mind that sust only contains 30 mgs of prop. While it contains another 60 mgs of phenylpropionate, the half-life on the phenylprop is around 4.5 days. It is not as if you can't make gains on sust every 4-5 days, you just aren't maximizing it, nor are you minimizing your potential for sides. In practice though you may never notice the difference.

[mick-G]

Originally posted by 71olds442
to get the most out of steroids, you need to keep stable blood levels... sust has 2 short esters (prop, phenylprop) in it... to maximize those two, you should shoot them eod or ed... some people do phenylprop e3d, but in general, to get the most out of sust, eod or ed shots would be best. if you want to do 2 shots a week, use enanthate straight up. it will yield more stable blood levels... so less sides and better gains should be the result

I totally understand the prop and phenylprop have to be injected ed or eod, but what you r saying is that you have to shoot a gram a wk to get sufficent or to gain the full benifit of the esters with sust and that is just not true. That is why it is called sust. because of its sustained or timed release it will work slower and more evenly into the bloodstream than regular prop or phenylprop. I have heard many ppl like yourself believe this ed or eod thing and it is just not true. Even though it is combined with the slower acting esters it is not formulated like that of single ester prop or phenylprop. Benrock, what you heard is correct. If you go to the anabolic profiles forum, which is copied from the anablic review profiles. You will find that 4-5 days is sufficient. Also i will add that doing eod or ed would also give you more possibility of gyno, as you would be injecting 1000mg and up a wk to do ed or eod. I do agree with you on the using of two seperate syringes and needles if drawing 1/2 ml and storing.