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I am on some qv deca 200 and i was hearing that the deca can cause gyno more so than my tornel test 200. is that a load of crap or is it true? 
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aromatization is slower from deca then test from what i've read but it can still cause gynoComment
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get some bromcriptine or dostinex(cabergoline).Its good for deca induced gyno. Bromo is prolly easier and less expensive but nolva wont do anything for halting tren or deca gyno.Comment
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deca will cause gyno threw progestrogen , test never gives me gyno but deca make my nips hurt like hellComment
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I am on 400mg/wk of the qv deca 200 and 400mgs/wk of tornel 200 enanthate. This is my second cycle ever. My first was a bottle of Brovel T-200 which gave me no problems but post cycle acne. My nips are a little sore this time but not puffy or anything visible. As far as my cycle goes, I am on my 4th week. Should I be noticing significant size gains yet or is it still too early? I gained well off my first cycle, and i do notice a little size increase so far on this one. I was just wondering if I am not taking enough or I'm taking too much. Sorry if I ramble on, im a little tired so i prolly sound retarted haha
BTW I am 22 5-7 173 (was 164 b4 cycle) bf low but not sure.
will post a pic when i wake up.Comment
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Tornel test varies in potency. With 400mg Deca I would consider running test at 500mg/wk.
Use ldex, it may not directly insure that Deca does'nt cause gyno but with test its a good idea and keeping estrogen low will aid with removing a mech for Deca to work off of.
Yes, it is a little early to be showing gains yet but they should be right around the corner.Comment
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it can cuase gyno, but it is form progesterone, not aromatizing estrogen.Originally posted by Audiowaves252
aromatization is slower from deca then test from what i've read but it can still cause gyno"Ideas are more powerful than guns. We would not let our enemies have guns, why should we let them have ideas."
- Joseph Stalin
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Originally posted by Whurston
I am on 400mg/wk of the qv deca 200 and 400mgs/wk of tornel 200 enanthate. This is my second cycle ever. My first was a bottle of Brovel T-200 which gave me no problems but post cycle acne. My nips are a little sore this time but not puffy or anything visible. As far as my cycle goes, I am on my 4th week. Should I be noticing significant size gains yet or is it still too early? I gained well off my first cycle, and i do notice a little size increase so far on this one. I was just wondering if I am not taking enough or I'm taking too much. Sorry if I ramble on, im a little tired so i prolly sound retarted haha
BTW I am 22 5-7 173 (was 164 b4 cycle) bf low but not sure.
will post a pic when i wake up.
If you nips are getting sore, you most likey have early sings of gyno. (BTW it is NOT true that deca cuases gyno MORE than test, but it can cuase it). I would hit holva at 40-50 mgs for a few days and see if it goes away. If not, I would start on some vitex because it is probably progest. related."Ideas are more powerful than guns. We would not let our enemies have guns, why should we let them have ideas."
- Joseph Stalin
Power perceived is power achieved.
Unless you are the lead dog, the view never changes.Comment
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My guy that was supposed to pick up some nolvadex for me got in a little jam so I have no way to get mexico stuff now, so are there any legal anti-e products that work? A guy at my local supplement store was trying to sell me some stuff called "Estrogenex", he said it's good, but I did a search on here and found nothing.
I think i'm gonna bump up my test to 500mgs, i had already been considering it. Thanks double jComment
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you could try b-6 or vitex for deca gyno it may helpOriginally posted by Whurston
My guy that was supposed to pick up some nolvadex for me got in a little jam so I have no way to get mexico stuff now, so are there any legal anti-e products that work? A guy at my local supplement store was trying to sell me some stuff called "Estrogenex", he said it's good, but I did a search on here and found nothing.
I think i'm gonna bump up my test to 500mgs, i had already been considering it. Thanks double jComment
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Actually, I would disagree on thw progesterone issue. Deca(nor tren) convert to progesterone. Deca converts to DHN, which is a weak progestin, but unlikely to cause concern for a progesterone problem. Deca(and tren) do seem to agonize the PRL which is why you see the recommendation for Bromo, or dostinex, or B6. I will say that the use of prescription prolactin inhibitors should not be taken lightly, and their use should be last resort. The release of prolactin is directly related to dopamine levels, as dopamine offers an inhibitory effect towards prolactin. Given this, all prolactin inhibitors are DR agonists, and the manipulation od dopmaine is not something that should be excused as a minor effect. Long term effects are not known. Use B6 over prescription PRL inhibitors in any case that is feasible
Also, if progesterone became a problem, which I highly doubt(I know of no known cases of progesterone induced gyno), prog. is an E2 agonist so using and anti=e will help"The tragedy of life is not found in failure but complacency. Not in you doing too much, but doing too little. Not in you living above your means, but below your capacity. Never failure but low aim, is life's greatest tragedy"- Benjamin Mayes
"The power of accurate observation is commonly called cynicism by those who have not got it"- George Bernard ShawComment
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It is not progesterone per se that causes gyno from deca and tren -- it is a prolactin issue which causes the gyno not progesterone. This is why typical anti estrogens such as nolva will not work.
A course of bromo which suppresses prolactin surges coupled with proviron helps.Comment
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