Deca/Cyp. Cycle for a beginner?

[malitz]

Hi all,

I'm new to the site, and I joined to seek advice on doing a cycle of steroids. I've heard the reputation of the members here is 2nd to none, so I'm hoping I can find some help. Here's my scenario:

- turning 24 this summer
- 6 years of training experience
- 5'9, appx. 165, < 12% BF

I'm looking to put on another 10-15lbs of muscle, and was recommended a Deca/Test Cyp. cycle. Is this appropriate for a 1st cycle, and if so, what dosages would you recommend, and over what period of time?

So far, the advice I've given points to an 8 week cycle with 1 200mg shot of Deca and Cyp. every 5-7 days. However, I've also been recommended to take 20mg of Nolvadex in conjunction with the two in case I'm sensitive to gyno.

I'd really appreciate hearing from experience Deca users, especially anyone who has been on this particular cycle. Thanks in advance.

[71olds442]

500mg test would be fine for your first. it will most likely get you past your 15lb goal. get some nolvadex to have incase gyno symptoms occur, or run it everyday with the cycle.

[jipped genes]

i dont like short cycles with long esters bro run it a minimum 10 weeks. try 400 mg of cyp and 300 mg of deca every week for 10-12 weeks. i would use some kind of anti E during your cycle incase you are gyno prone 20 mg of nolva ed would be fine.

if you eat enough you probably will exeed your goal with this. follow normal PCT as found in the FAQ i prefer nolva over clomid for PCT other do not.

good luck bro

[DOUBLE J]

Both guys make good points. I'll recommend a solid middle ground.
Run the test at 500mg/wk for 10-12 wks. 10 wks would be fine.

Save the deca for the next cycle. A first cycle of test for the right length of time is a great first cycle without the sides deca brings.

Thats my 2 cents.

[FUZO]

500 CYP-400 DECA 12 WEEKS. RUN NOLVA THROUGHOUT AND CLOMIN AFTER

[malitz]

500mg test would be fine for your first.

Save the deca for the next cycle. A first cycle of test for the right length of time is a great first cycle without the sides deca brings.

I heard test. by itself is not a good idea and that the side effects (acne, etc.) are stronger than if you combine it with Deca. Is that bullshit?

i dont like short cycles with long esters bro run it a minimum 10 weeks. try 400 mg of cyp and 300 mg of deca every week for 10-12 weeks. i would use some kind of anti E during your cycle incase you are gyno prone 20 mg of nolva ed would be fine.

if you eat enough you probably will exeed your goal with this. follow normal PCT as found in the FAQ i prefer nolva over clomid for PCT other do not.

Can you elaborate a little on the "short cycles-long esters" ? Also, should I be taking the Nolvadex throughout the cycle, or only if symptoms of gyno show up, or only during PCT?

500 CYP-400 DECA 12 WEEKS

Is that not a little excessive? For a 1st cycle, almost everyone I've heard from has preached using a low dosage.

Thanks for all the input.

[jack hust]

here is what i would do
test cyp 500 mgs a week 1-12
deca 300-400 mgs a week 1-10
dbol 30 mg ed week 1-4
pct of clomid and nolva
.25 mcg of ldex ed till you finish pct

[jipped genes]

Can you elaborate a little on the "short cycles-long esters" ? Also, should I be taking the Nolvadex throughout the cycle, or only if symptoms of gyno show up, or only during PCT?


bro long esters take a while to "kick in" cyb and deca are long esters. which means you wont benifit from them until 4 weeks give or take. so if you run them longer you benifit more. yes run liquidex or nolva during your cyle it will keep the water retention down

test is fine to run by itself adding gear can complicate sides but a low dose of deca or eq most likely cause any probs

jack addresses all points in his suggestion. dbol is very fat acting and will give you gains until the test and deca kick in and the liquidex will keep the bloat down. that is a solid big cycle for a first time.

[Skarn]

Originally posted by jack hust
here is what i would do
test cyp 500 mgs a week 1-12
deca 300-400 mgs a week 1-10
dbol 30 mg ed week 1-4
pct of clomid and nolva
.25 mcg of ldex ed till you finish pct

This is what I'd do. Yes, some will say it's too high a dose, but I think it's fine for a first cycle. It is almost identical to my 1st cycle and it was great.

And what some of the others said about doing a test only cycle is good advice as well. It's the more conservative approach and there's nothing wrong with that.

BTW, test alone will NOT give you any more side effects than if you combine with Deca. Not sure where you heard that, but it's false.

Good luck,
Skarn

[SMILEY FACE]

i would do this for 12 weeks:
week 1 week 12 test cyp 400 mg or 500 mg of sustanon
week 1-week 12 300 -400 mg of deca
week 1 week 4 30 mg f dianbol ED
have so nolvedex or clomid in case of gyno

as far for teh test and the deca , split teh dose TWICE A WEEK

[O2BESOHUGE]

id extend it on out like everyone else has said. take it to 12 weeks, the first 2- 3 weeks its just getting into your system good.

i tend to make better gains on slightly longer cycles myself.
jacks advice on the cycle is good....

o2

[malitz]

Thanks for all the input.

[NitroGenX]

Originally posted by 71olds442
500mg test would be fine for your first. it will most likely get you past your 15lb goal. get some nolvadex to have incase gyno symptoms occur, or run it everyday with the cycle.

At your weight 500mg of test will get good results. keep it simple for your first. If you have any problems you'll know what it is. Nolva on hand.

[malitz]

At your weight 500mg of test will get good results. keep it simple for your first. If you have any problems you'll know what it is. Nolva on hand.

Does running test alone or a combination of test/deca have an impact on what is appropriate PCT ? For example, if I choose to do a test only cycle, will the Nolva dosage differ from what would be necessary if I were doing a deca/test cycle?

I need some clarification on what is necessary to prevent gyno during these two types of cycles. I did a search for PCT but I didn't find a primer or anything extensive. Can someone post a link in this thread for some good PCT readings?

I've heard that for a 1st cycle you should run Nolvadex during the cycle and afterwards during PCT. Is this true, or is it only necessary afterwards? I've also heard that you only need to start using Nolvadex if you begin experiencing gyno symptoms (puffy/sensitive nips). Comments? Also, how much should I be taking? Here are the 2 cycles I am considering right now (both 10 week cycles):

Deca/Test. Cyp.: 300mg/week Deca, 200 mg/week Test.

or

Test Cyp.: 400-500mg/week

How would Nolva fit into these cycles, and how much/often?

[monstercojones]

Originally posted by malitz
Does running test alone or a combination of test/deca have an impact on what is appropriate PCT ? For example, if I choose to do a test only cycle, will the Nolva dosage differ from what would be necessary if I were doing a deca/test cycle?

I need some clarification on what is necessary to prevent gyno during these two types of cycles. I did a search for PCT but I didn't find a primer or anything extensive. Can someone post a link in this thread for some good PCT readings?

I've heard that for a 1st cycle you should run Nolvadex during the cycle and afterwards during PCT. Is this true, or is it only necessary afterwards? I've also heard that you only need to start using Nolvadex if you begin experiencing gyno symptoms (puffy/sensitive nips). Comments? Also, how much should I be taking? Here are the 2 cycles I am considering right now (both 10 week cycles):

Deca/Test. Cyp.: 300mg/week Deca, 200 mg/week Test.

or

Test Cyp.: 400-500mg/week

How would Nolva fit into these cycles, and how much/often?

in either cycle, run the nolva for 10 mgs ed the entire length of the cycle and throughout PCT... you will need both nolva and clomid for pct... and dont run the test at any less than 400 mgs every week...

my first cycle was 500 mgs of test ew and 400 mgs of deca ew... and i was about your size when i started, gained a whopping 35 pounds.

if you're not looking for explosive gains, dont run the deca, as it is highly anabolic as compared to the testerone. your first cycle will yield the greatest gains to dosage ratio... so choose it wisely...

peace,
MC