Serious replies on cycle concept

[iced]

Originally posted by alwayzgrowing
i think that is one of the most intelligent remarkz i have ever heard. that is how i feel. until i started competing, i never touched anything. my first cycle was preparing for a show.

on the other side of the coin, i believe Doggcrapp's 4 week blitz two week cruise, is one of the most ridiculous uneducated plans ive ever heard. His training methods do have some merit, but his idea of taking clomid and arimidex while cruising, and this some how helps u from not shutting down is idiotic

[iced]

heres a quote from Nandi12 from CEM, a very educated man:
"During the cruising period the 400mg of test will keep you from losing any muscle at all and the clomid and arimidex will get you as close (via 2 different routes) to homeostasis as possible."

This is complete bullshit. The author does not realize that androgens act directly on the hypothalamus to shut you down. How does he think nonaromatizing steroids suppress endogenous test production? Does he think the clomid and arimidex will save you? Get serious.

Dogg's remarks are among the stupidest I have seen on the internet, and that encompasses a lot

[alwayzgrowing]

Originally posted by iced
on the other side of the coin, i believe Doggcrapp's 4 week blitz two week cruise, is one of the most ridiculous uneducated plans ive ever heard. His training methods do have some merit, but his idea of taking clomid and arimidex while cruising, and this some how helps u from not shutting down is idiotic

i dont believe in this crusing thing. i was just saying there is no reason for someone to be on a long period of time, such as 24 weekz, unless competeing. and by that i mean a cycle such as

weeks 1-24 750mg enan
weeka 1-5 50mg dbol.
etc, etc

[skii96]

If you plan on staying on year round, which is what you MUST do if you compete seriously, then DC's appraoch is a great way to go about it. It can be adjusted though, doesnt have to be 4 wks on 2 wks coast!

[Billy_Bathgate]

I know a couple guys that have done this effectively and correctly. Shoot the HCG in the 4th week. Take clomid during wks 5-6. You wont recovery fully, but possibly partial enough.

Get blood work and find out.

[hardscience]

I took clomid all the way through my first cycle and I believe it kept me from shuting down completely.

It doesn't look good so far but keep the discussion going. I know there are a couple bro's around who have used this method. I'd like to hear their first hand experience.

[alwayzgrowing]

why not just shoot hcg every two weekz, and never come off? what would be different

[hardscience]

Originally posted by Billy_Bathgate
Get blood work and find out.

I i decide to go this route I will have blood work done before, during, and after the cycle. Not to mention keep a progress log for future reference.

Is there someone who could give me a template for such a log. In other words, at what stages to get blood work done, what type of blood work, ect.?

[hardscience]

Bumping back to page 1

[iced]

why not use short esters and orals, ie prop, suspension, tren, winny, dbol, anadrol, halo, etc, and go 4 on 2-3 off, used clomid and hcg in the 2-3 off, hcg three days before ur mini cycle is over

[hardscience]

Originally posted by iced
why not use short esters and orals, ie prop, suspension, tren, winny, dbol, anadrol, halo, etc, and go 4 on 2-3 off, used clomid and hcg in the 2-3 off, hcg three days before ur mini cycle is over

So basically what I have above except drop the 100mg eod of prop during the 2-3 week off periods? Right?

That's an option.

[iced]

yep, throw in some clomid ur good to go

[x|Fluid|x]

I dont know why you would want to cut the EQ back to 8 weeks, I would run it 10 minimum.

[hardscience]

Originally posted by basskiller
short version, cause I don't exactly have the time to get into it..
Stick with the The "old cycle" idea: But cut it back a bit
drop the eq at 8wks and continue the rest til 12

Damn

[x|Fluid|x]

agreed, fina will harden them up nicely, but if he's running fina all the way through anyway, why is the EQ all of a sudden not needed by week 8?

Im just debating this because in my experiences, EQ usually doesnt fully kick in untill around week 5.