Tren Cycle Advice??

[gogoman]

Looking for some tren cycle advice. I've done many cycles but this will be my first with tren. How does this sound:

Tren 75mg ED (what are pros/cons of 150 EOD)
Win 50-100mg ED (depending on joints)
EQ 600mg per week

My stats are:
6'4"
225lbs
7-9% BF

My goal is to put on maybe 5-10 pounds of solid muscle and to make my existing muscle rock hard. Will i need an anti-e throughout this cycle or just if necessary. I've never had any gyno side effects on test cycles. I have Clomid on hand for post.

Thanks for any input.

[orion76]

Damn that's a pretty hardcore cutting cycle, you're gonna be RIPPED!!

You will not need any anti-e's on this cycle, only the EQ will aromatise a little but probably not enough to cause any real sides.

[gogoman]

EQ will aromatise??....i thought i'd have to be doing a lot more than 600mg for that to happen.

I realize that clomid isn't for gyno sidse, but i will need to use it for post cycle recovery on this cycle correct??

[orion76]

Sure, EQ aromatises at any dose, but probably not enough that you'll really notice it.

[digital]

what they said,

btw how long is that cycle exactly?

[gogoman]

8 weeks most likely.....might run the eq a bit longer

[digital]

goodluck,a bit long on the winny there(i usually dont venture over 6 weeks especially at 100mged)get your liver supps for sure,and joint meds,i cry if i mix eq and winny,as they said your gonna be ripped if your diets there(clean)

btw eq for me needs to be run 12-16 weeks

cheers

[gogoman]

I always limit my winny runs to 6-7 weeks. Start at 50ED and work up to 100 then back down. Haven't had any joint issues last 2 cycles. MSM seems to do the trick for my joints.

Thanks for the EQ advice. Last EQ cycle i ran 12 weeks. Seems to be the easiest drug on my system. I love the vascularity i get by the end of a EQ cycle!!

[DOUBLE J]

Add Prop at around 100 mg ED. A little long on Winnie.
Try EQ for 10 wks and Prop out to 12 wks. Also I would'nt start any higher than 75 mg ED of Tren untill you see what kind of sides you'll have. There are a lot of sides with some people and usually atleast 1 or 2 with most everybody.
For me it takes about 3 wks for most sides to make themselves known, and IMO 150 mg EOD is perfectly fine. Same thing for prop and Winnie for EOD's.
Some will disagree.
If this is your first time with ED's then EOD's is a reasonable option.

Upon rereading I think saturn is right about prop/tren/winnie and possibly dropping eq.
Then 8 wks would workout much better.

[Triggerman2003]

Sounds like a good cycle to me.

[spidey]

Originally posted by Colorao
I'd throw some prop in there somewhere. I had great results with 100mg ED. Clomid wont do shiznit for Tren gyno. Gyno from tren is rare tho.

While that seems to be the prevalent thought, it isn't correct. Gyno NEEDS estrogen to develop; whether it is initiated from estrogen or progestins. Eliminate estrogen and you could shoot yourself full of straight progesterone every day for a year and not develop gyno.

In order for gyno to develop, at least 4 hormones MUST be present: Estrogen, progesterone, prolactin, and IGF-1. If ANY of them is eliminated, gyno can not develop.

That is the problem with taking test along with progesteronic steroids like tren or deca. Since they bind to progesterone receptors, they are interpreted as progesterone in the brain. The excess test aromatizes into estrogen so not only do we have "progesterone", estrogen levels are much higher than normal. Now add in the fact that most (if not all) AS raise IGF-1 levels. Now add in that tren upregulates prolactin through progestin mediated pathways and you now have all four necessary ingredients for gyno to occur. Anyone with a predisposition for it will have a problem here.

How many posts have we seen complaining of gyno from test prop + tren cycles? A lot more than I have seen from tren or deca alone cycles (or stacked with only non-aromatizing AS).

Anyway, forgive the rambling. The short of it is: Nolvadex WILL help with so-called progesterone gyno because it removes a necessary gyno ingredient, estrogen, from the picture.

[spidey]

Originally posted by gogoman
EQ will aromatise??....i thought i'd have to be doing a lot more than 600mg for that to happen.

I realize that clomid isn't for gyno sidse, but i will need to use it for post cycle recovery on this cycle correct??

EQ aromatizes at about half the rate as test so 600mg EQ will aromatize about as much as 300mg test.

[spidey]

Originally posted by gogoman
8 weeks most likely.....might run the eq a bit longer

EQ should be run for at least 12 weeks and preferably longer due to its long half life. It won't even kick in until 4 or 5 weeks.

[SMILEY FACE]

i just finished up my first cycle of tren and i was doing 1000mg of omendre, 25 mg od dbol and 100mg of tren every day for 7 weeks.
god tren is miracle, not holding holding and looking more rounded and ripped.

[gogoman]

Thanks for all the helpful advice. I'll be sure to post my results.

gogo