which cycle sust or prop

[jsjs24]

Originally posted by Alpine
jsjs24: I was mainly replying to pigmeat.


Please let this topic RIP - you cant validate any reasoning why Sust should be considered an EOD choice like prop. You did make some valid connections with the fast acting esters and timing. You failed to keep in mind that much smarter people took this into account when they designed it as a 1x or 2x a week injectable.

Ok Alpine, I'll let it RIP...lol. But first...lol, let me just correct myself. The 160mg a wk is not entirely wasted, you are correct. But I think it is more beneficial if done eod or even e3d. As for the sust design, well....I personally don't think it was the best idea. But to each his own and may the topic rip...lol.

[pigmeat]

Like i said Alpine. Sus IMO is not a good choice, unless say, you run it at 750+ mg a week. If you run it high, then yeah, you can benifit from the fast esters. If you inject EOD!! If you inject weekly like you say, without a doubt, you will be in for a hormonal rollercoaster ride. Your test levels will spike for a few days, until the short esters clear, then they will fall back off. You clearly are better off if you can keep your test levels stable. No arguing that.
I am not saying you are wrong completly. it doesnt need to be injected EOD, But you will not benefit from the prop, and phenylprop. That is a lot of test to waste! And yes, it will be wasted! I dont care how it "was designed". Common sense prevails on this one!
We can debate this all day long, and you will still not be able to make a valid argument.

[jsjs24]

Originally posted by pigmeat
I am not saying you are wrong completly. it doesnt need to be injected EOD, But you will not benefit from the prop, and phenylprop. That is a lot of test to waste! And yes, it will be wasted! I dont care how it "was designed". Common sense prevails on this one!
We can debate this all day long, and you will still not be able to make a valid argument.

That's all I was trying to say. Not every drug was designed perfect...most weren't, that's why there are so many different ones for the same thing. Competition is all it is.

[Alpine]

I'll meet you guys half way

I do agree that 2x a week would be the minimal
recommended frequency for Sustanon use. The 1 short, 1 long and 2 medium length esters might be pushing it at 1x a week. However I dont feel Sustanon should be lumped with the likes of Prop and other EOD choices. And even at 1x I dont think there would be major fluctuations and crashes like if you did 1x with Prop. But then again I have personally never tried anything at 1x. Even with enanthate I did 2x just to break up injection size.

What do you guys make of Sustanon causing less water retention due to the fact that it aromatizes less than cyp or enth? Im not saying that sarcastically - you guys have seen how that claim has become almost synonymous with Sust even on reputable steroid profile write-ups. I have only ever run Enanthate myself, so I was wondering a bit. Sometimes things don’t happen in the body like they do on paper.

The topic wont die!!

[jsjs24]

Originally posted by Alpine
I'll meet you guys half way

I do agree that 2x a week would be the minimal
recommended frequency for Sustanon use. The 1 short, 1 long and 2 medium length esters might be pushing it at 1x a week. However I dont feel Sustanon should be lumped with the likes of Prop and other EOD choices. And even at 1x I dont think there would be major fluctuations and crashes like if you did 1x with Prop. But then again I have personally never tried anything at 1x. Even with enanthate I did 2x just to break up injection size.

The topic wont die!!

Nice to meet you Alpine...half way I mean...lol. I can end it there. The reason it's not as big of a waste with sust 1x a wk as with prop is because sust has the other esters. And the decanoate is a loooong ester.

[jsjs24]

Originally posted by Alpine
I'll meet you guys half way



What do you guys make of Sustanon causing less water retention due to the fact that it aromatizes less than cyp or enth? Im not saying that sarcastically - you guys have seen how that claim has become almost synonymous with Sust even on reputable steroid profile write-ups. I have only ever run Enanthate myself, so I was wondering a bit. Sometimes things don’t happen in the body like they do on paper.

The topic wont die!!

When I took sust I did not use adex, and when I don't use it I hold a lot of water. On any test for that matter. Also, it seems that most of my friends hold a lot of water on it too. So, I don't know why they say that. Imo it's just test period that will bloat you up. I know people that hold water on prop also. Test is test with different esters attached...right? That's how I see it at least. I'm sure some avid sust users could give you a better opinion though.