Beginners Bulking Cycle

[Extranero]

Ok, here it is. Will place the order soon so everything is subject to change.

Stats:
43 years old
182 pounds (lean. abs showing)
low natural test (HRT will begin after cycle)
6' tall
2 cycles 23 years ago. Went from 196 to 215 keepable. No sides.


Week 1- 5 D-Bol 35 mg ED
Week 1-12 Test ethanate - 500 mg week
Week 2-10 Arimidex-.5 mg EOD
Week 14-16 clomid
300 mg day 1
100 mg day 2-10
50 mg day 11-20

Nolva on hand for gyno.

I don't mind a little bloat and I don't care if my bodyfat goes up. I'm looking for raw size. Losing weight is easy for me.

I don't really care how bad I shut down due to the HRT but I need everything to keep working (23 year old girfriend

Should I add proviron? Deca? Use a different test?

I want to bulk. I expect I can get 25+ pounds off of this but I'm looking to gain the maximum amount that I can keep.

What do you think? More of something? Less?

[orion76]

Re: Beginners Bulking Cycle

Originally posted by Extranero
I don't mind a little bloat and I don't care if my bodyfat goes up. I'm looking for raw size. Losing weight is easy for me.

In that case I would drop the Arimidex! Those are the two things people use Arimidex to prevent, at the expense of bulking up faster.

If bulk is what you want then I strongly recommend adding 400mg per week of Deca.

[jipped genes]

Re: Re: Beginners Bulking Cycle

[If bulk is what you want then I strongly recommend adding 400mg per week of Deca. [/B][/QUOTE]

deca is a good choice for size and strength gains and because you are on hrt the fact that deca shuts you down wont matter.

i wouldnt totally drop the armidex i drop it back to 10 mg ed but i dont get gyno or bloat bad.

also bump up the d-bol to 50mg ed that will blow you up brother.

enanthate is perfect and you dont need proviron



Week 1- 5 D-Bol 50 mg ED
Week 1-12 Test ethanate - 500 mg week
wk 1-12 deca or eq 400mg wk

if you eat enough and train hard enough i will bet you can easily break 20# with the right dedication brother.

[THE JUICE]

thats the same my buddy's gonna run. Hes a skinny mofo, so dbol and test it is.

[JohnnyB]

I don't recommend orals for a first time cycler, but at 43 I would never advise d-bol anavar would be the only oral I'd suggest, in your 3rd or 4th cycle. Do a test only cycle Bro you love it. Go to the Dr have your hormones checked you may be a candidate for HRT

JohnnyB

[JohnnyB]

Forgot about the bulking part. Your diet will determine how much you'll gain or lose.

JohnnyB

[murph0110]

Re: Beginners Bulking Cycle

did you copy my cycle???

http://www.fitnessgeared.com/forum/showthread.php?s=&threadid=30519

mine is almost exactly the same and if i had it all over again i would drop the d-bol, substitute prop... not sure what i am gonna do...

murph

[Extranero]

Murph, I didn't copy it but i should have. It would have been less homework! Why drop the d-bol and use prop? Not sure I can get prop.

Ok, sounds like a lot of bros say add deca. When and how much? Will that change my PCT?

JohnnyB why no orals? I don't drink, liver is good. Diet looks to be in the 4000 cal, 350g protien range. Maintenance for me is 2300 cal.

Thanks for the input. Keep it coming...

[Extranero]

Murph, what kind of results so far?

[orion76]

Take 400mg per week Deca from week 1-12

Your PCT starts one week later, so start on the 15th week. Or stop Deca in the 11th week and then PCT doesn't change.

[space mountain]

yea bro run the deca instead

[murph0110]

d-bol just too many concerns - hair, gyno, bloat, temporary gains- but it does not mean it will effect you in a bad way... in my case i do not think I am going to risk it, will sacrafice the gains....

i start in 3 weeks...

murph

[JohnnyB]

Originally posted by Extranero
JohnnyB why no orals? I don't drink, liver is good. Diet looks to be in the 4000 cal, 350g protien range. Maintenance for me is 2300 cal.

Thanks for the input. Keep it coming...

At our age the body doesn't heal as quick as it did, not to mention d-bol isn't the best thing for your blood pressure. Oral are more for advanced users that are starting see their gains slowing. Anavar is 1 oral that can be used safely by seasoned Bros like ourselves I believe that introducing 1 compound at a time to your cycles is the best way to know what your body reacts to and what it doesn't.

JohnnyB

[pigmeat]

I would run the armidex from the start. If you wait until week 2, gyno may already set in. Trust me, I got made the same mistake thinking that I would be fine without for a few weeks since I used all long esters, and got gyno first week!

[orion76]

Originally posted by pigmeat
I would run the armidex from the start. If you wait until week 2, gyno may already set in. Trust me, I got made the same mistake thinking that I would be fine without for a few weeks since I used all long esters, and got gyno first week!

Did you start taking Nolvadex when you got itchy nipples and still get irreversible gyno?