M1T is the best drug i've ever taken.

[Juicemonkey101]

Originally posted by ZedsDead
so this stuff doesnt shut u down?

I asume it most cases it would....

[Massive1]

sounds like a plug

[dropsbombs]

ive gained about 8 pounds so far and im only eating slightly above maintenance calories and have been doing cardio about 5 times a week, so even with all those variables i have still gained on it, and it has gotten me some good strength gains getting like 3-4 more reps on my lifts.

[jstrong20]

Originally posted by ZedsDead
so this stuff doesnt shut u down?

Yes it does because it is a steroid and a strong one at that. Its only legal because of a loophole. Many can't even handle it for more than 2 weeks because of sides.

[jstrong20]

Originally posted by Juicemonkey101
Any wieght or strength gains yet??

Any of the Big Boys used this product or are considering it? jack, bdtr, 3vandoo??? Just curious.....

I don't know what you consider big but I'm about 242lbs 5'10'' 19 3/4'' arms and still growing off of it. Also I've used test suspension, winny, dbol, anadrol, tren, and some others and I will say the only drug I've taken that will beat the gains I'm haveing so far is anadrol. Also keep in mind I ran anadrol at 100mgs and I'm only using this stuff at 20mgs ed.

[Juicemonkey101]

Originally posted by jstrong20
I don't know what you consider big but I'm about 242lbs 5'10'' 19 3/4'' arms and still growing off of it. Also I've used test suspension, winny, dbol, anadrol, tren, and some others and I will say the only drug I've taken that will beat the gains I'm haveing so far is anadrol. Also keep in mind I ran anadrol at 100mgs and I'm only using this stuff at 20mgs ed.

Yes, i would consider that big! Good to hear that people are growing off this product... looking forward to trying it!

[Governor]

Originally posted by jstrong20
Yes it does because it is a steroid and a strong one at that. Its only legal because of a loophole. Many can't even handle it for more than 2 weeks because of sides.

yup. PC is needed.

[spidey]

Originally posted by jetset
jsjs from what I have heard anti-e's are a very good idea.

Why would you think that? It can't aromatize so no estrogen can be formed.

[spidey]

Prolangtum did a two week trial with this stuff from power nutrition. He was cutting but his diet looked pretty high calorie to me but he ended up losing 2 or 3 lbs lbm and only 1lb fat. He actually lost more lbm than he did fat! That doesn't sound all that good to me.

I think I will wait for some other people to try this stuff before I waste my money. Besides, I haven't seen any data whatsoever on its liver toxicity. It could be 10 times worse than anadrol for all I know.

[daddy1122]

i am gonna start to run MIT and 4ad in the beginning of Jan. and i am hopefully going to run it for 6wks at 20mg. I will be getting my liver values checked every 2wks to see what the changes are. I already have had a baseline done so i will see how much this stuff will raise it. I will keep you guys posted so you all can know how liver toxic this stuff really is..

[nautica]

So with the name Methyl -1-testosterone, I will assume that they added a methyl group (CH3) off the first Carbon position. With this being said - how can this make the testosterone act any different. The methyl group is relatively inert, so once it is cleaved, the substance would only be testosterone.

If it was an anabolic substance without the cleavage, then it would be illegal.

Do you have a chemical structure downloaded, which I could view??? Also, what are their claims as to how this substance acts, once in the present of HCL?

Nautica

[jack hust]

Originally posted by Juicemonkey101
Any wieght or strength gains yet??

Any of the Big Boys used this product or are considering it? jack, bdtr, 3vandoo??? Just curious.....

nope ill just stick to the real stuff bro

[spidey]

Originally posted by nautica
So with the name Methyl -1-testosterone, I will assume that they added a methyl group (CH3) off the first Carbon position. With this being said - how can this make the testosterone act any different. The methyl group is relatively inert, so once it is cleaved, the substance would only be testosterone.

If it was an anabolic substance without the cleavage, then it would be illegal.

Do you have a chemical structure downloaded, which I could view??? Also, what are their claims as to how this substance acts, once in the present of HCL?

Nautica

No Nautica. It is 17-alphamethyl-1-test. It is a 17-AAS like dbol or winny. Thus the liver toxicity questions.

Also, your general assumption that a methyl at ANY position would not change the character of the steroid much is mistaken. For instance, a methyl at the one position drastically decreases AR binding makeing the steroid much less androgenic. It also affects the anabolic character but I am not sure by how much. 17-methylation also generally decreases AR binding but I think there are some exceptions.

Carbon-Carbon bonds are not cleaved in the body so that methyl is there to stay. It won't "cleave" to release testosterone.

[BENNYBOOM]

is this stuff bought online or at GNC and other health food stores

[nautica]

Originally posted by spidey
No Nautica. It is 17-alphamethyl-1-test. It is a 17-AAS like dbol or winny. Thus the liver toxicity questions.

Also, your general assumption that a methyl at ANY position would not change the character of the steroid much is mistaken. For instance, a methyl at the one position drastically decreases AR binding makeing the steroid much less androgenic. It also affects the anabolic character but I am not sure by how much. 17-methylation also generally decreases AR binding but I think there are some exceptions.

Carbon-Carbon bonds are not cleaved in the body so that methyl is there to stay. It won't "cleave" to release testosterone.

But I guess my point was, since it is not a functional group, would it still not have the same anabolic properties as test?

Nautica