first cycler on the way

[proxonetapimp]

hello bro's, i´m 25, 5'9, 175 lbs, been tranning for 4 years
i´m reaching genetic limits and i want to do my first cycle.
I have access to: QV (ALMOST EVERYTHING), sostenon 250 (organon), clomid and nolva.

i want to do a 6 weeks cycle at 500 mgs/wk (short one?)

looking for 15 pounds of solid muscle.

SHOULD I STICK TO THE SUST FOR 6 WKS? OR SHOULD I TRY WITH THE QV STUFF LIKE TEST?

WHAT KIND OF PCT SHOULD I DO IF I HAVE IN HAND THE CLOMID AND THE NOLVA?

[BossDJ02]

i agree with esta. need more than 6 weeks. enan is way better.

[proxonetapimp]

just trying to keep those side effects to minimal... so i thought that a 6 weeker would be better...
clomid after 2 or 3 weeks after last shot of sust?

if i choose to go with only one test compund wich one would u recomend as a first cycle enanth, cyp or prop?

[proxonetapimp]

should i use liquidex if i see any water retention=?
how should i use it?

[jsjs24]

Originally posted by estanozolol
enanthate or cyp for sure. prop needs to be injected at least every other day. And you should wait 3 weeks after your last shot of enanthate, cyp, or sust to start PCT. hard you work and EAT!

Correction estan, wait 2 wks after enan and cyp.....it's 3 wks after sust.

[pigmeat]

6 week cycle is not the best choice when using long esters. The test wont kick in until week 4 or 5 ,and you will be getting ready to come off!

[proxonetapimp]

on ur point of view what is better? cyp enanth or sust?
the test is vet grade QV and the sust is organon

[NeverSatisfied]

for your needs, go with qv enth. organon is quality but it needs to be injected eod at the least to work

[XxDAHULKxX]

I did an 8wk cycle with solid gains, but everyone is different. 20lb gain to be exact. I didn't run l-dex, although i will run it next time cuz i'm gyno prone and it will reduce the water bloat. I didn't bloat up too much. This is what i would recommend that worked wonders for me:

Weeks 1-4.....Dbol @ 30mg/day
Weeks 1-8.....Test-Enanthate 500mg

Additional Supplements:
ALA and milk thistle for liver protection
Vitamin C
Multi Vitamin/Mineral

[jsjs24]

Originally posted by NeverSatisfied
for your needs, go with qv enth. organon is quality but it needs to be injected eod at the least to work

I agree about the enat...better choice imo too. But the sust will work it's just that you won't get much benefit out of the prop ester. Sust is a strangely designed way over hyped steroid that everyone who knows nothing about juice thinks is the best.

[pigmeat]

Originally posted by jsjs24
I agree about the enat...better choice imo too. But the sust will work it's just that you won't get much benefit out of the prop ester. Sust is a strangely designed way over hyped steroid that everyone who knows nothing about juice thinks is the best.

not really much prop in there anyways. At a low dose, i dont think you will get much benefit from the prop. I like single esters better. Go with the enanathate

[TXShooter]

I just finished my first cycle - 500 mg/wk test enan and 400 mg/wk EQ. I was planning on doing 10 wks but ran out at 8. Keep that in mind when buying your stuff. I got screwed and didn't have access to anything when I needed more. Because of some other issues at work in the beginning, I think it took awhile for me to really notice the difference. But all of a sudden about the 6th wk i started gaining weight and getting cut. I only gained about 12 lbs, but like I said it was in a very short time frame. And the change in my body composition made it look like alot more. I wish I could of finished it out to 12 wks. Next time I'll buy more than I think I need just in case.

[HungarianBeast]

bump for all of the above advise!

[NeverSatisfied]

Originally posted by TXShooter
I just finished my first cycle - 500 mg/wk test enan and 400 mg/wk EQ. I was planning on doing 10 wks but ran out at 8. Keep that in mind when buying your stuff. I got screwed and didn't have access to anything when I needed more. Because of some other issues at work in the beginning, I think it took awhile for me to really notice the difference. But all of a sudden about the 6th wk i started gaining weight and getting cut. I only gained about 12 lbs, but like I said it was in a very short time frame. And the change in my body composition made it look like alot more. I wish I could of finished it out to 12 wks. Next time I'll buy more than I think I need just in case.

yeah u never know whether ur gear will be underfilled

[jsjs24]

Originally posted by pigmeat
not really much prop in there anyways. At a low dose, i dont think you will get much benefit from the prop. I like single esters better. Go with the enanathate

I do agree with you there bro. But if I ever use sust again it will probably be 125mg eod with 100mg prop mixed in it eod, that way I would get the full effect. But I don't know if I will ever do sust again. I like enan and prop!!!