Opinions on Prohormones, Androgel, Finasol

[Rumpster]

Opinion on Androgel & prohormones and how they compare to injections, please.
I'm in the research stage for my first cycle in 15 yrs (I'm 38) and I'm not ready to go back to darts just yet. I'm looking at alternative delivery methods like prohormones, Finasol, androgel, etc.
I don't need or want 20+ lb gains. I'm just looking to lose 30 lbs over a few months time then gain 5-10 lb lean mass TOPS with some strength but MOSTLY muscle hardness/cutting.
I know most people are down on prohormones because their cost in effective doses is near equal to AS, but that doesn't take into account the legal aspects of the choice which I prefer to do.
Shots are out for now (maybe next year) so save your breath. Cost must be relatively low. I've still got a pretty good amount of muscle from before.
Availability is an issue also. Hair loss is not an issue as mine is already gone I don't have sources I trust where I've moved which is why I'm trying to put off juice if I can find natural/legal alternatives that actually work. Mine is a situation where "almost really is good enough" for me.
Let's hear some objective opinions...okay semi-objective at least.

[jack hust]

just eat alot of protein get some creatine flax oil,glutimine and some carb mix eat 6-7 times ed and you will do just as good if not better than prohormones and you will save a ton of cash imo

[HeHateMe]

Originally posted by jack hust
just eat alot of protein get some creatine flax oil,glutimine and some carb mix eat 6-7 times ed and you will do just as good if not better than prohormones and you will save a ton of cash imo

Listen 2 jack

[bigpimpc]

prohormones suck!

[morebeefplease]

prohormones are a waste, stick to glutamine, creatine, lean meat, and good carbs

[conger]

check out this article on finasol. Might be good for what you want.

http://www.t-mag.com/nation_articles/165fin.html

[YellowJacket]

Oh boy, Im not touching this thread.

[iamdwalrus]

5-10 pounds of lbm can be achieve with great diet alone. The money that's meant for prohormones is better invested on real foods and the occasional protein powder.

[Billy_Bathgate]

Guess you could do a transdermal tren, but I would only advice it with transdermal test. If your 38, shurely you can talk your doc into it. They are starting to give the patches out like candy.

I dont know what the best is to use for transdermal methods, but I do know that yohimburn will work. You can by just the transdermal solution without the yohimbe at the AF store for pretty cheap too.

[YellowJacket]

Ok, one last time for everyone......


This is the year 2003. There have been great advancements in the world of anabolic steriods as well as in the world of pro hormones. No one uses Mark McGwire andro anymore fellas. I dont see how you can make a judgement or assumption based on never using state of the art PHs. Lets go over some changed from when andro was popular:

• More potent doses
• More potent delivery systems.
• Added ingredients for better absorbtion
• Developed research on proper stack combinations
• Lower Pricing

Before I go on, let me make something clear:

No one here is comparing pro hormones to anabolic steriods.
If you do not like PHs, fine. I will expect scientific studies and research to back up the calims that they suck. A simple, yet necessary request. Now Im a life long AAS user. I used to have that "PHs suck, theyre a waste of money attitude". Thats fine. I really didnt know why other than thats what I heard. Now topical delivery systems have been founded for better abosrbtion, DMSO has been added for maximum absorbtion, the amount of powder has been increased for more potency. Things change fellas, sorry.

Now lets talk about thew actually PHs. 1-Test, the one I stand by and preach and rave upon. Highly anabolic inside the body. Dont have to take my word for it, I can post several pages of people who are more than satisfied with their gains on 1-test. 4-AD, considered an anabolic steriod by most is also potent. 3-Alpha- Great for cutting away fat, has been proven also. What Im getting at is when AAS users think of Pro Hormones, they think of good ol' Andro. No one uses andor anymore.

Lets talk price. I hear "Waste of money" "too expensive for no gains", etc. Dont know where you guys do your shopping, but no days, PHs are relatively inexpensive. I'll say most arent expensive. The site Im at we sell custom homebrews a full 1-Test/4-AD transdermal cycle for under $70. Not bad at all. Or hell with buying it, make it yourself! We also provide, as well as a couple other places, a free recipe to make your own mix, EXACTLY as it is sold. Doesnt get much cheaper than that.

Lets talk about the effects of PHs on the endocrine system and the sides. The sides are less prevelant than that of AAS. Only makes sense. AAS are illegal for a reason guys. Gains wise, I wouldnt give up my AAS for nothing to be honest, but sides are minimal with PHs. Just like any other compound which effects basal hormones, you have to be careful with them and know what you're doing. Coming off PHs is cheap and relatively simple, expecially with the post cycle medication being legal.

Lets talk gains. Here I will compare PHs to AAS, but pay attention to the wording. For someone doing a first cycle...PHs are just as effective as AAS. Oh boy, before you piss yourself, pay attention.... this is based on feedback I have been given. Now granted this doesnt apply to everyone. You have to consider what compounds were used, how long and at what doseages and of course, your diet. 20lbs in 8 weeks isnt uncommon for a 1-test cycle. I gaind 17 total on my 1st AAS cycle. Weird huh? No granted as life goes on, AAS will surpass PHs in gains, thats common knowledge. But for early stages of hormone use, PHs will more than get the job done.

Lets talk legality issues. I absolutley HATE guys who say "Fuck PHs, get some test and dbol and do a real cycle". Oh christ, if only it were that easy. First you must get a secure e-mail addy and hope its secure, then you must find a legit source (good luck in this day and age where theyre dropping like flies), then you must make the order and pray to god you dont get scammed ( I think its safe to assume we've all been scammed at one time or an other, dont lie, I sure have). Then you must order your syringes and needles. Then you must get on your knees and pray you dont get the DEA knocking on your door.....if Im a newbie, fuck that, I'll go to a website and order some transdermal 1-test and get my 15-20lbs.

On a final note, not everyone is a bad ass like all you AAS users. Some users want simple gains without injecting ( I know I know, pussies) but its the truth. Pop a couple capsules, rub some lotion on your legs or back or whereever and be on your way. I think a PH cycle should be a must before someone is thrusted into the world of Anabolics. I sure wish I would have played around with them before I touched AAS. Might have saved some money and sweat from worrying about being busted.

So refute this all you wish, these are faces and new advancements. Thats life. Things change.

-YJ

[YellowJacket]

Originally posted by bigpimpc
prohormones suck!

Wow.... stunning intelligence. We should all listen up.

[Rumpster]

He probably hasn't built an ounce of muscle naturally in his life.

[manny78]

I'm just wondering why you placed androgel next to prohormones ......

[YellowJacket]

Originally posted by manny78
I'm just wondering why you placed androgel next to prohormones ......

Good point. Andro Gel is intended for hormone replacement in those deficient gentlemen....

[Rumpster]

Purely because it wasn't an injectable.