best thing 4 gyno

[joeoak]

so am I just screwed or should I just stick with the nolvadex? I definitly don't have 4 grand I assume the nolva will keep it from getting bigger??

[pigmeat]

Originally posted by Razo
Arimi is good to keep down gyno, but there is alot other stuff out there that is stronger, but harns your gains like a mofo.

I will argue with you on this one bro. I dont believe anti e to hinder gains any. Maybe water wieght.

[musclebuilder]

Nolva calmed my symptoms down. My gyno was affected by the test and not the deca i was on. Nolva will not do anything for gyno stemming from deca. anyway, nolva will work. and neversatisfied, my doc told me that the gyno should never come back, but he also told me that there is no way to remove the glands that cause it. so excessive use of AS may cause it to return.

[LOCO]

lipostabil? gonna give it a try... soon.....

[mj23]

Ive tried eveything for this curse....nothing works. Nolva makes ther gland swelling go down....when I stop nolva, it returns even when I am not on. I actually developed most of it 2 months after my tren cycle.Surger once I have the money. I cant wait to have a normal chest again!

[jsjs24]

Originally posted by joeoak
I was also taking .25 mgs ldex ED it might be slowing down now that I bumped it to .50

For deca gyno you need bromo I believe bro. And if I were gonna treat it with nolva I would take about 60 or 80mg immediately and then 40 for a couple days followed by 20 ed throughout cycle. Also, people get the wrong idea imo about treating gyno. Nolvadex and all the other anti-e's will not treat it but can prevent it. If you notice symptoms early enough though you may be able to correct it.

[joeoak]

bro I know the pic of BDTR was a joke... or was it??? seriously though I'm just woried that I might look like that if I don't do something. maybe it might be in my head but if I don't do something now it's only going to worst, they look good when my nipples are hard but when they're not they look kind of fatty and soft

[mick-G]

I use nolva 20mg ed, l-dex .25 ed, and proviron 25mg ed. No problems here.

[HungarianBeast]

I don't think anything will reverse your symtoms (lumps) Nolva should stop it from progressing. If you start to get some itchy/sensative nips durring cycle, kick in the Nolva. The itchyness should go away. My opinion is if you are stopping something durring a cycle(like dbol after 6 wks in a 12 wk cycle) kick in a little nolva when you drop. You say you stopped the deca, but still have time left on the cycle. Stay on Nolva untill finished with PCT. Next time be very aware of symptoms before they go too far.

[orion76]

ESPE: Tamoxifen, Raloxifene Prove Effective In Pre-Pubertal Gynecomastia

By Cameron Johnston
Special to DG News

MONTREAL, QC -- July 12, 2001 -- Doctors in Canada, have determined that both tamoxifen and raloxifene can be used to treat pre-pubertal gynecomastia.

This condition, an excessive development of male breasts, occurs in up to 65 percent of young boys and may be deemed clinically significant in 10-15 percent.

While the condition resolves spontaneously in approximately 90 percent of cases over a three year period, the psychological and emotional impact in the meantime can be devastating for these young patients.

The investigators, headed by Dr. Sarah Muirhead, an associate professor of medicine at the University of Ottawa and staff endocrinologist at Children's Hospital of Eastern Ontario (CHEO), presented these findings yesterday (July 11th, 2001) at the 6th joint meeting of the Lawson Wilkins Pediatric Endocrine Society and the European Society for Paediatric Endocrinology (ESPE), in collaboration with the Australasian Paediatric Endocrine Group, the Japanese Society for Pediatric Endocrinology, and the Latin American Society for Paediatric Endocrinology held in Montreal, Quebec, Canada.

The tamoxifen/raloxifene breakthrough is significant because surgery used to be the only management option. Previous attempts to manage the condition medically by altering the testosterone/estrogen ratio have only been partially effective and have included such drugs as danazol (normally used to treat endometriosis), aromatase inhibitors, and dihydro-testosterone.

Tamoxifen is a competitive inhibitor of estrogen binding in the breast, whereas raloxifene is a selective estrogen receptor modulator, the investigators explained.

In the study, 14 subjects received tamoxifen 10-20 mg/day for three to six months, while nine subjects received 60 mg/day of raloxifene for three to six months. A group of 13 received no medications and were used as a control group.

The mean age of these boys was 14 years, and all were of normal body mass index. Those who received tamoxifen had had the condition for a mean period of 18.9 months, while those randomized to raloxifene had the condition for an average of 37.2 months.

Both of these estrogen receptor blockers were effective in treating gynecomastia, although the response was greater for raloxifene. In the tamoxifen group, the mean nodule size was 4.6 cm before treatment and 2.1 cm post-treatment, for a reduction in size of 56 percent.

In the raloxifene group, pre-treatment nodule size was 4.9 cm and post-treatment size was 1.6 cm -- a reduction in size of 73 percent. It was not stated over what period of time these changes occurred.

The investigators report that overall, 91 percent of the subjects showed a positive response. These results were especially encouraging given that the subjects had had the condition for extended periods of time, and given that the breast nodules were large. It was also encouraging that no side effects were seen in either group of patients, including to liver function.

Despite the safety of the drug and the seemingly impressive results seen here, Dr. Muirhead and her group caution that, due to the lack of follow-up in untreated patients, it is not clear whether treatment was more effective than observation alone. To resolve that question, a larger, randomized, placebo-controlled trial using raloxifene has been planned, she said.

[NeverSatisfied]

Originally posted by Crankin'steiN
That is what happens..... Anyone with gyno knows that.... when they are hard they look fine...

shit sounds like i've got a slight case. thought i was in the clear

[armani1072]

definately up the nolvadex dose. maybe double it. i started to see small lumps so i doulbled tamoxifen to 40mg per day it is subsiding now.

[itchybag]

I thought I was in the clear too, dam. No lumps tho

[buyb12]

letro has been known to reverse gyno by starving the gland of estrigen ...this is what it does to tumers

[hussle_man]

Im in healthcare along with the wifey, the key is, (if you have insurance) is knowing how to get the insurance to cover the surgery, and it can be done without them (the insurance company) calling it COSMETIC....