50mg tab, eod or split and go 25mg ed?

[swoll4u]

Originally posted by Rickson
Well the problem with that particular manufacturer's brand is when you split the pill there is no guarantee you are getting 25 mg in each half. I am not a fan of winny EOD so can I vote for 50 mg ED split in half and taken twice throughout the day.

Exactly, there are the binders and the winny itself. You never know what you are getting. Thats why I really hate the dbol he makes>.. I would just do the 50 EOD if ytou wont take ED

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[bigjim33]

Originally posted by DaSarge
Hey iamcdn:

What exactly is your "goal" with this particular cycle?

It appears your are trying to "cut" or lose bodyfat without losing too much muscle mass. Is this correct?

What are your current stats?

good question here.....i would assume cutting since he is asking about eca

[iamcdn]

Originally posted by DaSarge
Hey iamcdn:

What exactly is your "goal" with this particular cycle?

It appears your are trying to "cut" or lose bodyfat without losing too much muscle mass. Is this correct?

What are your current stats?

hey sorry, i never saw this post earlier...

yes my goal is to "cut" without losing muscle mass, and maybe even gain a few lean pounds ....

what im gonna do is get my bf measured, then ill set my specfic goals i want to go from x% to y%. i think my university offers free testing or v.cheap underwater testing .... ill post my stats when i get everything measured up

my gym scale is not correct and niether is my homescale, the only thing i can really tell is for certain is all relative ... so i use the home scale to see if i make gains, but like i said, once i know my "real" stats

[iamcdn]

Originally posted by XXXL
if you're only going to run 25mgs per day i'd hold off until i could run at least 50 per day. why waste what you have?

however, maybe some oral winny users can tell me something. i have 3 very close friends that say you can run a lower amount of oral winny than you do the injectable. they have a lot of success running anywhere from 15-30 mgs per day. i wouldn't believe them if i didn't see it with my own eyes. i think they are b/s-ing me and running other gear with it. now keep in mind i'm not saying they are getting unreal gains from this, but very noticeable gains.

i thought using orals, some is lost lost as it passes through your digestive track? ? ?

any educated thoughts on how this could be true? the tabs only require 15-30mgs per day.


oh and winny has a very short half life. i believe it to be 12-18 hours off the top of my head but don't quote me on that. i think it should be run at least ED.

I don't claim the validity of either study, just stuff I've read. I do know however where the study posted on this thread orginiated from - the WAR 96 book. Very old and outdated. Read this one ..

Got this off of Brock Strasser's column on T - Mag


Q: There's this huge debate raging over whether or not you can "drink" your Winny-V. I know that because stanozolol is 17-AA'ed, I can use it orally. However, how much more or less effective is oral stanozolol over injected stanozolol? I hear that you need about twice as much stanozolol orally as you would injected to see similar results. How was this figure of doubling the dose orally determined?

A: There isn't a lot of great pharmacokinetic data in humans comparing oral to parenteral (injectable) stanozolol. So that idea of "if you use X amount by injection you need twice as much orally" is anecdotal and speculative at best. The best I could find is a study comparing the two methods of administration in dogs. My comments come after the abstract:

The effect of stanozolol on 15-nitrogen retention in the dog

Can J Vet Res 2000 Oct;64(4):246-8 (ISSN: 0830-9000)

Olson ME; Morck DW; Quinn KB [Find other articles with these Authors] Animal Health Unit and Gastrointestinal Sciences, University of Calgary, Alberta.

The objective of the study was to determine the influence of either oral or intramuscular administration of stanozolol on nitrogen retention in dogs by using a non-invasive 15N-amino acid tracer technique. Ten healthy, intact, adult male sled dogs received either stanozolol tablets, 2 mg/dog PO, q12h, for 25 days (Group 1, n = 5) or an intramuscular injection of 25 mg of stanozolol on Days 7, 14, 21, and 28 (Group 2, n = 5). A 15N amino acid (5.27 mmol) was infused intravenously into each dog on Day 0 (before stanozolol treatment) and on Day 31 (after stanozolol treatment). Urine was collected by catheterization from each animal 3 times daily for 3 consecutive days. The 15N-urea enrichment in urine was determined by high-resolution mass spectrometry and the total amount of urea in the urine was determined.

Both oral and injectable stanozolol resulted in significant (P < 0.05) increases in amino acid nitrogen retention compared to pretreatment values. Oral stanozolol increased nitrogen retention from 29.2 +/- 8.2% to 50.3 +/- 9.2%, while stanozolol injection increased nitrogen retention from 26.6 +/- 9.9% to 67.0 +/- 7.5%. The response to intramuscular administration was significantly greater than the response to the oral dosing regime. Stanozolol increases amino acid nitrogen retention in dogs, as has been previously observed in rats. This action of stanozolol may be beneficial in dogs under stress of surgical trauma and chronic disease.

Okay, so the oral dose was 28mg/week and the injected dose was 25mg/week. And the injected dose was far better at increasing nitrogen retention (67.0% versus 50.3%). This makes it about 33.2% better (roughly speaking), so if I extrapolate, it means to see the same effects as 25mg of injected stanozolol per week, you'd need to take about 38mg of it orally.

This isn't quite "twice the injected dose" and is, in fact, closer to 50% (52% or so actually). So if you assume the dog model is correct, or nearly so in other mammals like humans, you'd need about 50% more stanozolol orally than you would if you injected it. So if you used 50mg of injected Winstrol every other day, it would be a safe bet to assume 37.5mg of stanozolol used orally every day would provide a similar effect

[iamcdn]

i got the above post over at elite, not sure the original poster sorry

[iamcdn]

half life is somewhere close to that, i know the depot is longer -- im just heading to basketball, i find the site with teh half life and post it in a bit

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