Lasix, why such a bad rap?

[Rebel Yell]

I think i have finally found a place for L-dex, but they seem to be taking some time shipping it.
Went for a check up today and saw that my blood pressure went down after stopping the dbol, ( as I learned from here ). But I am really sick of this water retention. I had to buy a few pairs of pants just one size up to compensate for the water retention and I have been totally moonfaced, so I asked my Doc for some lasix which he had no trouble giving me.

It's prescribed for 40mg a day. Is it really that bad??

I have been taking 10mg of Nolvadex a day as well, helps just a little.
But again my question is about Lasix.

Thanks in advance.

[Rebel Yell]

No need for a response , I did more research:



Lasix


Pharmaceutical Name: Furosemide
Chemical structure: 4,17beta-Dihydroxyestr-4-en-3-one
Molecular weight of base: 330.7423


Effective dose: 20-60 mg/day
Average Street-price: $10 for 30 tabs of 40 mg
Available Doses: 20, 40 and 500 mg tablets, or injectables
Products: Diural, Diurapid,Durafurid, furomex, furanthril, furomin, furon, furonet, furosemide, furosifar, fusid, impugan, lasix, seguril, semid, sigalasur, trofurit, vesix


Characteristics:

Furosemide is the most powerful and most widely used diuretic drug in the world. The injectable version is fast-acting, and dries someone out like prune. Its used in the medical field, mostly in the emergency room, to purge people who have ingested large doses of toxins, hoping that the toxins can be excreted before they enter the system and so avoiding worse problems. It also makes a good shock treatment for people who are admitted with dangerously high blood pressure. Its very multi-functional, but its also a very dangerous drug. It signals the body to immediately excrete both intracellular and extracellular water, and with it the key electrolytes sodium and potassium. This can lead to severe problems. Muscle contraction is based on the exchange of electrolytes. That means in first instance an electrolyte imbalance can causing cramping and other irregularities in muscle contraction. Now if its only a calf or a bicep, no harm done in the long run. But when its your heart muscle, that's another story. In 1985 professional bodybuilder Mohammed "Momo" Benazziza fell dead after winning a Grand Prix, the cause of death was believed to be his pre-contest use of the diuretic Lasix.

In most sports diuretics are used to lose small amounts of weight in a hurt. If you compete in weight classes and need to drop a pound in an hour, lasix will do the trick for you. Cleans the water from your body and you are lighter. If you have a match the next day, you are probably heavier again, so a major advantage. In bodybuilding the use of diuretics is for another reason entirely. The aim is after all to show as much muscle as possible, and to show as much definition and striation within that muscle. Unfortunately even at the dangerously low body-fat percentages bodybuilders compete at, a lot of that definition may still be hidden under layers of subcutaneous water. By using diuretics, that water can be shed and the maximum potential of a physique can be retained. In many cases, the levels of water retained by an athlete has made the difference between doing very well and doing very poorly. And the differences in the water household between the pre-judging of a contest and the evening show have sometimes made the difference between several placings. So diuretics have become an integral part of bodybuilding over the last 20 years.

Furosemide comes in oral tablets of 20 and 40 mg and in an injectable form. The injectable is the most potent. Its injected intravenously, as opposed to most steroids which are injected intramuscularly. It can become active in a matter of minutes and has a drastic effect. But as described previously, also a very dangerous one. The orals will usually take 60-90 minutes to kick in, but have a fairly drastic effect themselves. Furosemide is without a doubt the most potent diuretic in the world. An athlete will rarely opt to take more than 40 mg daily, and only in the last 4 or 5 days leading up to a show. The Injectable version is only used pre-contest, especially if there is testing. Testing for diuretics has become very popular in bodybuilding of late, and that has driven more athletes to wait until after taking their piss, and then inject some Lasix to get rid of the last bit of water. Needless to say this is a reckless practice. If a stronger effect is required, athletes are more likely to opt for adding another, milder diuretic like spironolactone (Aldactone), instead of increasing the dosage of lasix. There are a number of combination diuretics like Lasilactone that enjoy great popularity in the sports sector. Usually they near the potency of using twice as much lasix, but with much less hazard.

Stacking and Use:

Since its so harmful and potentially lifethreatening, furosemide should only be used the last 4-7 days leading up to a contest, with around 20 mg a day, 40 mg at the very most. If a stronger effect is needed, additioning a milder diuretic is advised. 50 mg of spironolactone or hydrochlorthiazide, which are potassium sparing diuretics, will usually do the trick. Adding a potassium supplement to furosemide is wise, 1500-3000 mg daily normally. This keeps electrolytes somewhat in balance and helps prevent the worst of side effects such as nausea, dizziness and cramping. There isn't much use for ancillary drugs with furosemide otherwise. Its an anti-hypertensive in itself, so it could offer relief after a dieting period with ephedrine, clenbuterol and high dose androgens. One should always take care to replenish his water and salt intake after use is discontinued.

Many users will note a very distinct bloating after discontinuing the product, sometimes to the point where everyday movement is near impossible. During the use of this product extremely heavy and painful cramps can occur, as well as Diarrhea, dehydration, dry mouth, dizziness and nausea.

If the injectable is used, make sure its out of necessity. Otherwise I would caution you to stay away from it. If you do, a small amount injected into a vein will have an impact within minutes. Make sure you addition some potassium to it immediately, and have someone watching your back at all times. Keeping a shot of epinephrine handy just in case is not being overly cautious.

[FUZO]

JUST BE CAREFUL,YOU NEED POTASSIUM PILL. YOU COULD HAVE A HEART ATTACK.EAT POTASSIUM AND DRINK ORANGE JUICE

[6p6]

thanks for posting your research bro...I've never looked up Lasix before and it was a good read....might be thinking about it after Abombs! so far letrozole is working just fine....

[bdtr]

It's a good way to die for newbies.

[Rebel Yell]

It's a good way to die for newbies.

Yes, now i have a bottle of lasix and sh*t full of refills to collect dust.

Just found another source to get ldex! Duh, it waas right under my nose.

[jack hust]

lasix will kill you bro it is not for some one who does not know how to use it

[mcbvr6]

Unless you are about to get into posing trunks and walk on stage, it isn't worth the risk.

[PPL]

From what I can see, lazix and diuretics have been the primary cause of death and health problems for professional body builders, not anabolics

[ENraged]

Wow i never new they were so bad.

[Starr]

Good information!

[Drenten]

Originally posted by bdtr
It's a good way to die for newbies.

True…to a point.

Lasix isn’t really all that dangerous when it is used properly and responsibly. The problem is that many people just start using it without any real research, without any understanding of how it should be used, and with a severe lack of common sense. So yes, in that respect it is a good way for a newbie to die.

As for the pros that have died from diuretic use, quite simply, they take things too far. Going overboard with steroids won’t kill you immediately, but diuretics could.

Also, Osmotics combined with diuretics are usually responsible for the death of most bodybuilders. Rarely is it ever diuretics alone. Unless they really make a dumb mistake; like Mike Matarazzo – he almost died because he was using potassium supplementation with Dyazide – it was actually the potassium that almost killed him.