1st cycle-advice and critique needed

[whitetail]

Hello everyone,(sorry about lenthy thread)
I am fairly new to the board and loving the all the help and knowlage you guys are givin to the newbies.
Stats:23 5'10" 170 12% bf
Started:19 """ 138 15%bf

Not the greatest stats but with what I was given I made a pretty drastic improvement. My problem is that I plan on taking my 1st cycle soon(cyctahoh250). How could I run it to find a happy medium of bulkin up but not loose my abs.(I'll start cycle when at 160 8-9%bf) From what I've seen I thought people put on pretty much all muscle therefore reducing bf. Some say if I put on 20lbs I will gain a descent amount of fat and theabs will be gone but this might be info from people who are competing and are very anal about bf%. I will give my ideas and please crtique.

cyctahoh250 500mg/wk 10 weeks
wks 1-7 bulk up
wks 7-10 take clen, eat very clean but still high calories,and do alot of cardio.
Post cycle 3 wks after last shot clomid 1st day 300mg, 1wk100mg,1wk50mg
L-dex .5 eod
Nova on hand
(speculation?)
I figure in wk 1-7 I can put on around 20 lbs and in wks 7-10 strip any fat gained during previous wks while keeping muscle. I am thinking this way because if I just bulked up and was finished in june I figure I wouldn't be far enough out of the cycle until august to safely diet with out losing the cycle gained muscle.

I would like to keep to one kind but may consider stacking like eq. Also I know some will say go with enthanate for tests but I already have the sust. If its that big of a deal I could get enth.

Just want to know what i should expect considering its my 1st.
All advice appreciated.

[alwayzgrowing]

run the clen 2 weeks on, 2 weeks of throughout the cycle, and then some. run it for 16 weeks that way. the clen will help you retain muscle after coming off the gear. keeping your diet clena is the most important part if you want to minimize bloating and fat

[iamdwalrus]

Gaining 20lbs by Week seven on Sustanon is possible but training and diet must be impeccable. You failed to mention what your macronutrient breakdown, what does eating very clean mean to you? What's your training like? Exercise selections? Don't worry too much about gaining a little bit of fat, cardio and clen will burn. Eq, will be a good idea but it will jack up your appetite. I would also suggest running .5mg of ldex and 20mg of nolva with clomid throughout your postcycle therapy.

[PIT]

I agree with walrus Eq would be a good idea also help keep the water retention down,

Did you already get your gear?

I would go with a test with long acting esters such as enanth. or cyp. Sust IMO needs to be shot everyday to get use of those short acting esters.

PIT

[alwayzgrowing]

why add EQ. As we all know, you can never do just one cycle. The more stuff he addz to this cycle, the more he is gonna feel the need to add for the next. so 500mg per week of test should be sufficieent. just my two centz

[jack hust]

i agree with alwayzgrowing

[whitetail]

I already have the sustanon. I will be getting the l-dex nova and clomid soon.
When I say eat clean I mean no extras.mayo, ketchup, fast foods, all wholesome low fat foods. Lots of venison.

[whitetail]

Probably start about 4000cal. then adjust according to gains.

[jjgarcia3]

do you plan on running the l-dex through whole cycle? its a good idea if you wanna minimize bloat. also, IMO you dont need the nolvadex if your gonna run l-dex through cycle

[whitetail]

im gonna run the l-dex throughout cycle.

[alwayzgrowing]

Originally posted by whitetail
I already have the sustanon. I will be getting the l-dex nova and clomid soon.
When I say eat clean I mean no extras.mayo, ketchup, fast foods, all wholesome low fat foods. Lots of venison.

so you know, the FDA definiton of wholesome if any food fit for human consumption. so fast food is wholesome. gotta love labels and the misdirection

[bigjim33]

Originally posted by jack hust
i agree with alwayzgrowing

i as well agree