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**iamdwalrus** · 01-27-2003, 07:24 PM

Don't say"a pitiful 175 @10-12%bf", that's where I started this year after a long break too. How old r you btw? Two weeks isn't long enough to see the effects of winstrol, I would save it along with the abombs you have for a latter cycle. I'm quite intrigued with the way you are running dbol and prop. The dbol will help to jumpstart the cycle and the prop clicking in concert with deca. You and i are are the same size how tall are you? I've been using clen now for 2 weeks at 160mcgs(dieting and training for a show you see). I wouldn't recommend taking that much but I would suggest 40mcg/day and slowly increase it to 20mcg increments a day if the side-effects gets to be unbearable, you can just adjust accordingly. Being in the military and doing field exercises might cause you to get cramps on clen so I would suggest drinking plenty of H2O, Gatorade would be better though. What's your diet plan like?

**Miracle Man** · 01-27-2003, 07:27 PM

I personally do not like any oral AAS (dbal in your cycle). But it works. The cycle look ok, you will see gains. I would use Test throught the cycle. Look to get Test cip, 200mg/ml, less volume p/w. If it were me:

weeks 1- 6: Deca 400mg p/w or EQ 400mg p/w
weeks 1- 13: Test Cip 400mg p/w (2 shots p/w)
weeks 7 - 13: Finaplex 100mg eod
weeks 7 -13 : Winny 50mg eod (if you still want to use it)

If you can obtain Testoviron depot 250mg/ml, you can take 2 ml's at once p/w. Long acting Test agent. Great quality Test.

Otherwise your stack will work, its up to you. Good Luck.

**bigjim33** · 01-27-2003, 08:14 PM

i would do this with what you have:
weeks 1-10 deca 400mg/wk
weeks 1-4 dbol 35-40mg/d
weeks 1-13 test prop 75-100mg/d
weeks 8-13 winny 50mg/d

now i said the above going from what you originally suggested.....if it was me i would save the prop and use enanthate at 500mg/wk so you wouldn't have to inject ed or eod, and i would run it 1-10 with the deca. as always clomid post cycle. also have nolva on hand.

**Rickson** · 01-27-2003, 08:57 PM

I like what bigjim33 has suggested for you.

**maximus** · 01-28-2003, 06:13 AM

thanks for the advice so far lads, looks like you all prefer the long acting tests compared to the prop, only reason i chose it is cos i managed to get 32 amps of the stuff for a reasonable price a while back.
in answer to your questions iamdwalrus, i'm 27 years old and 6 feet tall-thats why i said the 175lbs is pitiful.i've just finished in the military after 9 years so you can imagine i've always had to do loads of cardio (i was a PT instructor)
my diet plan i use at the moment is this:
meal 1 75g oats,300ml skimmed milk,1banana, 20g whey
meal 2 4 slices wholemeal bread, 1 tin of tuna
meal 3 2 wholemeal pitta breads, 200g cottage cheese
meal 4 50g glucose, 20g whey, POST TRG
meal 5 50g glucose, 20g whey, 1 HOUR POST TRG
meal 6 1 chicken breast or piece of steak, vegetables, potato or
brown rice or pasta
don't know if this is enough food but i'm really struggling to eat more, if i can fit it in i also take 30g whey with 2 bananas either between meals one and two or at bedtime

**jack hust** · 01-28-2003, 06:53 AM

get more protein

**iamdwalrus** · 01-28-2003, 08:14 AM

Yep, not enough protein but you eat very clean that's good. Maximus, I would suggest going to the chippy and getting some haddock or cod to substitute for the whey you take on Meal 5. And now that you're out of the military you can take it easy on the cardio,eh. I think that was holding you back from gaining weight. If you're near Cornwall, there's couple of shoppes there that sell the tastiest smoked haddock, I highly recommend it.

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