Stay Lean After Cutting Cycle - How long?

[blkturbo]

I'm naturally vascular/lean, so I've never bothered taking a cutting cycle of any kind.....
I've only taken test or deca before, so I know what happens after those cycles when you either keep training hard, or don't keep training hard (how fast/slow you loose X-amount of gains)......but what about after a cutting cycle or winstrol or any other cutting drug? It seems like when you take a water-based cutter like winstrol for example, that you'd loose your vascular gains very quickly ---- is this true, or can gains from cutting cycles be kept for some time also?
I've seen people bulk up and keep it, but never seen someone cut down hard without smoothing back over soon after.

[XxDAHULKxX]

good ?, bump for ya

[Madmax]

sure gains can be kept for a long time, but only if your diet is perfect. you'll always loose some vascularity after your cycle, but if you keep a good diet following your cycle you should be able to stay significantly lean indefinatly...but you wont be as lean as you were when you were cycling...but who would want to? its to hard to put muscle on while dieting....Madmax

[jipped genes]

i have found that after cutting i dont loose weight as much as after a bulker. i feel the reason is because normally you use a short ester test that does not make you retain water as much as cyp or enth so you dont loose 10 # in water weight also because it has such a short half life you dont have massive amounts of test in the blood stream to shut you down like the accumulative effect of the long ester test that has 7 times the halflife. and you use androgenic muscle hardening gear like win or fina or even proviron which you can help keep gains on pretty well with the test by making the muscle denser. the other thing is you dont gain alot of weight on a cutter. the body is always fighting to stay in homeostasis, it dosnt like change so it accepts a small change in weight better than a big one. JG

[Striated]

I don't mean to nit-pick, but what do you mean by "making the muscle denser"? Do you mean make it "look" denser? I thought that with AAS, the individual muscle sells "blow up like balloons" and with GH, you can actually get MORE muscle cells. More muscle cells is what leads to muscle density, right?

I could be wrong... (like always). I kinda wish I was running GH right now. I think it would be great to finish my cycle with.

[jipped genes]

Originally posted by Striated
I don't mean to nit-pick, but what do you mean by "making the muscle denser"? Do you mean make it "look" denser? I thought that with AAS, the individual muscle sells "blow up like balloons" and with GH, you can actually get MORE muscle cells. More muscle cells is what leads to muscle density, right?

I could be wrong... (like always). I kinda wish I was running GH right now. I think it would be great to finish my cycle with.

when cutting you use more androgenic gear than when bulking. with androgens you dont have nearly as much water retention in the muscle as with anabolics like deca d-bol or drol. test is different it is more androgenic than anabolic but it aromatizes to estrogen so you get water retention but you can get around that with anti Es and short ester test. think of a water balloon when it is full it is very gushy almost amorphous. now when it is not full it is harder and keeps its shape better the water molecules inside are packed tighter more densly. same with the muscle you dont have cells full of plasma and water. its hard for me to explain i know what i am trying to say but its hard to get into words.

[Stupid Biotch]

Typically people can keep their fat level and muscle level the same after a cutting cycle...however....any benefits the steroids gave you during your cycle like increased muscle hardness, increased blood flow (pumps), increased vascularity...etc....will all subside. It's not a huge huge difference.