One week of Somaject!

[3Vandoo]

Ok, some of you might say it is not enought to notice a difference. I must agree with you, but I do notice some lil thingies since im on.

The past week and the next week im running at 3iu per day before I hit my cycle and run it at 4 and 5iu per day.

First day, I felt pain in my right hand, quit annoying in fact, since I start my right hand is alway hurting, goes in cycle to little pain to medium pain. My left one goes also in cycle but minor pain, my wrist also feel like they are 99yo.

I noticed that all my previous injuries,
elbow, knees, shoulders ALL HURT!!!!!!!!
they all hurt at the specific location of the injuries.

last thing I noticed is when im waking up I am totally fresh, something I didnt feel since, hmmm years .

that it so far.

322 out:p

[Miracle Man]

The aches and pains are due to the fact your Hgh intake is too high for you. I would cut back to 2 iu's p/d and see if that make a difference. Body joints are a side effect of high does of Hgh. I get swollen hands if my Hgh intake is too much. Plus the hgh I take is Nutropin Depot, a long acting Hgh that only requires 1 injection per month. Yes, my entire 1 month dose into one injection you read that correctly. Genentech is the manufacture and its the best keept secret of Hgh users. Look into in. I love it, i get great increases in my IGF-1 levels maintained for 30 days and the pure convience is priceless. Also, Hgh does help you sleep better. Why do you think children sleep for so long and heavy. There Hgh levels are through the roof during there growing periods.

[54bad]

How long do you have to stay on GH to see best results?

[Miracle Man]

All Hgh are not from the same cloth. I have not use somaject's, but i know its imported and I personaly do not like imported Hgh. Yes, I would agree with you ironfist, everyone will respond different to Hgh. Do not look at the iu's ones take to gauge side effects with iu's, it is not uncommon that people like yourself use 9 iu's of serostim p/d and see no side effects. I also took serosim with the hologram at 9iu's p/d and no side effects. The only way to tell if the Hgh your taking is working to first obtain a IGF-1 baseline test to see were your levels are at. Go on your Hgh of choice for 2 months and retest your levels again. If your IGF-1 increases by 50% or greater, then your in good shape. I personally feel the Serostim (serono) is the worst Hgh out there. I was taking 9 iu's p/d as well, and only seen a 20% increase in my IGF-1. That is not good. Now I switched to Nutropin depot, 22.5mg kit (67.5 iu's) and ontained a 90% increase in my IGF-1 on 2.25 iu's per day. Best off, its one shot per month. Yes, one injection only. Serostim and the company serono are like the *****s of the BioTech industry. I am in the business, and there reputation in the medical community is least desired. Very poor quality control on there Hgh. That is why you need to take high doses of there Hgh to see any results. If you took 9 iu's p/d of Nutropin Depot, your hands & arms will be so swollen, you would have no blood circulation at all. The only reason why people still use serostim b/c its easy to obtain. 126 iu kit last 14 days at 9 iu's p/d. I am getting better results with less iu's with Nutropin depot with only one injection per month. That is cutting edge science. All for the same cost.

[bigjim33]

sides are usually your body's way of telling you that something needs to be changed, unless they are good sides

[juicy]

it is my understanding that the physical affects seen within your body (such as increased GH levels) are VERY short lived, hence multiple daily injections

would this testing you mentioned work for the normal short acting GH versions? or only for the longer acting version you mentioned (nutropin depot)

reason i am asking is that guys don't get a baseline IGF level done when on serono, then go out and get another one done several months later and have it be the same, when the reason simply is that the GH they took that day or what not is already out of the system

please elaborate

also, i've heard that the nutropin depot isn't as effective for bodybuilding purposes because NATURALLY GH is released in pulses (as it is during puberty) and that by having a constant supply of GH in your system it makes is less affective than injecting daily in larger doses to "mimic" the pulse release you experience during puberty

[alwayzgrowing]

somaject, week 3, and i love it. abs are slimmin, muscle seem to be rounding. let you know in a few monthz about resultz

[Miracle Man]

juicy, Yes, the IGF-1 test will work for shorter acting agent. I have done it when I took Serostim. As long as your on the Hgh on a regular basis, you will still be sensitive to the test. I also agree with you that most likley >90% of the guys & gals do not baseline test and retest IGF-1. My question to you and others is you never know what the Hgh is really doing for you at all. You maybee administering 6 iu's p/d but you will never know what that 6 iu's are really or not really doing for you. Everyone just shoots from the hip and just's injects without any realy science behind there intentions. As far as your statement is concerned:

....."I've heard that the nutropin depot isn't as effective for bodybuilding purposes because NATURALLY GH is released in pulses (as it is during puberty) and that by having a constant supply of GH in your system it makes is less affective than injecting daily in larger doses to "mimic" the pulse release you experience during puberty"...... juicy

I could not really answer your question. The Nutropin depot is regular Hgh. The delivery system is what makes it so special. All medical studies showing the health benifits of Hgh are well documented, and all show low consistand doses at all times. Not spiking BIG doses only during a cycle. The buttome line is, if you increase your IGF-1 levels with your choice of Hgh, you will grow. I can guarentee you if you stacked Nutropin depot with your choice(s) of gear, you will grow. I have done the studies and compaired my IGF-1 levels through whole blood testing and saw the difference. I wanted to know what each Hgh product I took was giving me the best results (cost was not an issue). The Nutropin depot was that product. Now I also take Hgh for life for BB and overall improvment in health. My IGF-1 levels are always over 300ng/ml from 163ng/ml with 1 injection per month. I like to keep the levels there at all times. Short acting agents are short acting. Once you stop, your levels drop and most of the time they drop lower. I got turned on to Nutropin Depot by the NY Jets past medical doctor. He has two offices, Long Island, NY and Manhatten. He is not cheap and he does not take medical insurance. The convience of 1 shot per month IMOP is priceless. If you like big doses during a cycle only, then the depot may not be for you. Once you start Hgh, there is no turning back without long term effects by going on off, on off, on off. Your natural ability to produce Hgh will dipleat over time then you will be diagnosed with AGHD.