Winny/drol or winny/dbol?

[BigD]

As you all know, I'm planning out my next cycle. I'm actually off now, doing my IGF to keep my gains while tend to my HCG/clomid/adex, lol. So for my next cycle, since I love to try different oral combo's to kick it off, here's my two ideas.

A) 50mg drol/30mg winny per day
B) 30mg dbol/30mg winny per day

Option B is lower b/c I can't tolerate dbol pumps beyond 30mg it seems. Perhaps the exemestane will help with that. Also I get better strength from winny than from dbol, and it's the same price, so that's why I wanna try that. Alright, let's hear what you guys think... also I have halo, and can get any other short-acting gear you think. This is just for the kick-off phase, so think about weeks 1-4 or so Thanks!

P.S. This would be my 6th cycle, I'm going to try and qualify for nationals next summer. At present I am 22, 5'4", 195lbs, and about 10% bf, off-cycle. Also, any short-acting injects are ok too, as long as I can work out through the pain

[obscured78]

well, i dont get it. never heard of jump starting a cycle with those combined. i heard of jump starting with drol or dbol and then ending the cycle with winny. i do hope you are planning on throwing in test for at least 10 weeks.

[Gaul]

I like option B.

[jsjs24]

I agree about throwing in some test. I'm having a little difficulty planning my next cycle right now too and I have both winny tabs and d-bol tabs on hand. I was thinking of starting wks 1-4 with 25-30mg d-bol and wks 9-12 with 40-50mg per day of winny. I think the winny will help keep some gains and cut up some. However, I am DEFINATELY including test throughout the 12 wks.

[BigD]

I said this was JUST the kickstart part of it guys. This is my 6th one, you think i'm that dumb?
1-12 1g enth or cyp
1-12 600 deca
1-12 600 eq

Then I will bridge for a month or so, then start prop/winny/masteron to get ready for competitions. I mean geeez, I've got almost 700 posts, you don't think I'd be this big and still not use injectables as a base in my cycles? You guys must have all been drunk last night

[BigD]

Bastard... i left myself open for that one, that's what I get for posting at like 7:53am on saturday morning

[cr4sh]

I wouldn't do dbol/winny together they are liver killer.

[lxorl]

maybe dbol in the beginning of a cycle and winny on the end... are you trying to avoid needles ??

[BigD]

Are you people all idiots? I've done drol/dbol before AT THE SAME TIME, and NO elevations in liver enzymes, blood test proven. I've done two orals before, and like I just said this is NOT an oral-only cycle. It's got a gram of test, eq, deca... I inject 4x per day sometimes, believe me i'm not needle-shy. I'm going to end this thread b/c apparently only one of you is even smart enough to read before posting.

[flexer01]

now now tough guy.......your the one who said drol and winny to kick your cycle off. Sure your using the rest of that gear (test,EQ,deca) so why in the hell would you jump start that with winny? just take plain ol anadrol at 50-100mg per day for 5 weeks. Thats the best jump start you'll get.

[BigD]

B/c I TRIED plain ole drol. I get better strength gains from winny than from dbol OR from drol, so I thought by combining the two, I could get great strength gains, less water, less lower-back pumps, and more overall gains, whilst still taking in only 50-60mg/day of 17-aa's instead of 100mg/ed like anadrol. That, and I'm just a bit crazy, and I also think that most of the traditional "take 2 orals at once and you'll die" type theories are bullshit, and i'm on a mission to prove #3!

[Gaul]

50 drol/30 winny would be less harsh than 100 drol. Use your heads people.

I guess this concept is somewhat alien to the bodybuilding community. I know some sprinters who like 25 winny/ed, stacked with 20 dbol post workout.

[GearTripper]

my next cycle is gonna be dbol to start and winny to finnish it up.

[flexer01]

Gaul - who cares about harshness.....thats why they make milk thistle and ALA. Put 2 guys back to back.....one does drol....the other winny/drol, but with scaled down doses. I'll put my money on the 100mg drol guy for making better gains.

I dont know why people are so paranoid about sides. If you take the proper steps to avoid them, then your fine!!

ps- its funny how you think 100mg drol per day is harsh.....

[BigD]

Personally I KNOW from medical experience 300mg/day of drol isn't really that bad. Sure ALT and AST will go up, but it takes 6months or more at that kind of dosage to get GGT values to rise, which indicates actual DAMAGE. The other 2 values just indicate that your liver is doing more work than usual, but isn't that the point of bodybuilding, to make everything bigger, stronger, and more capable of doing more work? Thanks for no help guys, I'll just decide on my own... this board is becoming too much like FB for me!