What do you think of this mild lean mass/cutting cycle/experiment?

[Mike P.T.]

Days 1 - 40 50mg winny ed or 100mg winny eod

Post cycle for 20 days use an anti-aromatise's(aromasin, arimidex, femera) - A little clomid is optional

Repeat cycle 2 more times


The idea behind it is that using the winny at this light dose and only winny for 40 days you won't suppress the htpa to any large degree and any suppression will be taken care of during the 20 days off of it using anti-aromatise's. You also give your liver a break from the c-17 alkylated steroids.

For those who want better gains you could add 100mg eod of prop OR 75mg fina eod. For even better gains of course you could both but it obviously doesn't make it TOO mild anymore.

Actually this is an idea I have been thinking of for me personally. I would inject and use this for my upcoming spring and summer cycle also as an experiment for the site enhancing effects of the winny which I feel in the past has helped my lagging bodyparts. Plus I am really enjoying the feeling of being on it already and for only a week now at 75mg eod. My muscles feel nice and full and I'm getting leaner and leaner. Only had one workout since last week too since I was sick.

[Billy_Bathgate]

Its possible. Why not use Var?

Either way, your theory is sound as long as winny doesnt suppress to hard. I think you may just be able to get by.

Possible options could be the addition of 10mg AM dbol. It may further lower your HTPA though, although not by much more IMO.

[Vmax]

Interesting if you use winny or var alone..I think its changes completely if you had prop or fina into the mix though. 40 Days of test or fina is gong to shut you down pretty good.

[Mike P.T.]

Hmmm d-bols.... I may but at 10mg ed. It's not all that bad. D-bol does make me retain water easily and I don't want to use an anti-estrogen during this period. It does up the c-17 alkylated content but not by much either... Hmmmmm.... So much thinking.



As for shutting me down hard I doubt it. My last cycle I was on for 7 months long and used everthing from test to fina and deca even all at moderate doseages though and 7 weeks after the sus cleared from my system all my blood values were within normal range. Call me lucky or maybe just because I'm young. Either way I'm not too worried about the shutdown part because I bounce back up real fast.

Maybe even 50mg winny eod along with 50-75mg prop eod...... Trying to keep it simple and mild here as well as to complete this experiment.

Oh and I'm not using var due to it's price. Priority here is not juicing for summer at all costs. Hmmmmm if I am lucky though to land me a good var source that's real cheap... Yeah RIGHT!!

[Vmax]

Consider yourself lucky then ..everyone is different, I usually shutdown after about 3 weeks of prop.

[bigjim33]

wouldn't adding 10mg of AM dbol make it harder on the liver as well?

[Blackfoot]

Mike P.T., I've been researching for a possible first time cycle and I like the idea of a mild lean mass gain. I'm not looking for a dramatic effect but I do want to be a little bigger and, of course, ripped. Do you think this would be a good cycle for an experienced lifter but newbie to AAS? Your advice is appreciated.

[bigjim33]

mike, maybe do winny first, anavar second, and winny again for the last round....

[Mike P.T.]

Originally posted by Blackfoot
Mike P.T., I've been researching for a possible first time cycle and I like the idea of a mild lean mass gain. I'm not looking for a dramatic effect but I do want to be a little bigger and, of course, ripped. Do you think this would be a good cycle for an experienced lifter but newbie to AAS? Your advice is appreciated.

Yes it would be a good idea but being a c-17 alkylated steroid as well as having to inject yourself so many times(except if you drink it) I might not suggest it to the regular newbie. It's up to you. Still pretty mild regardless.

[mbstrong]

Well Mike I'm not sure if money is an issue with you or not but I think primo would be better for what your trying to do.

[alwayzgrowing]

prop and winny, the way to go

[Tinfish]

Mike,

I did that exact cycle. It was the orals though. Ran em for 50 days. hmmmm 50 mg winnys offered in lots of 50? whom could be my guy? j/k anyway i thought it as real good. gained about 10 lbs of lean muscle mass and dropped the bf% a few digits