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[noEQual]

This is my first post here and I have a question for those of you who are experienced. Alright I'm almost ready to start the my bulking cycle..... but I'm having a hard time deciding which combination would be best for me so here are my stats:

-6 foot
-165lbs
-30yrs old
-small boned
-12 % BF
-2 other cycles before (Sus) (Dbol)
-been out of the gym for a few months

Dbol 25mg daily for first wks 1 & 2 ( that's all I have)
Test @ 500mg weekly OR Sus @ 750mg for (10wks or more)
EQ or Deca @300 to 400mg weekly (10wks or more)
Winny IP 50mg Tabs 100mgs a day during wks 6to10 ?
And Clomid on a 21 day cycle afterwards and Nolva on hand
Do I need HCG during for a cycle like this? How much?

I not sure if I want to switch the EQ to Deca.
Same thing with the Test, Sus or Test ....and yes I know Test is Test but which help me keep the muscle on the longest? Also what do you guys think about Testoviron (Human) and Qv Enthanate? Are they just as good?

Like everyone here I am wanting good quality lasting muscle if possible.... not just to blow up like the pilsbury dough boy or a big moon face. Don't want to cause to much attention to the people around me.

Sorry about so many questions but if you don't ask you will not know. And yes I used the search button but peoples opinion changes all the time as they cycle and experiment with new combos. Thanks, the new board member.

P.S. feel free to suggest a better cycle.

[pigmeat]

drop the winny and get yourself enough d-bol to run 35-40 mg for 4-5 weeks. You need to check your diet too bro, if you have done 2 cycles and only wiegh 165#.

[flexer01]

thats a good cycle.....for the EQ run atleast 12 weeks...longer if you can. Forget the d-bol unless you can get more.....25mg for 2 weeks is not worth it.
Winny should be run 50mg like estan said.(100mg/d if your bold)

Eat, eat, eat.....you sound like a hard gainer!

[Chimp]

I agree with the previous posts. You need more DBOL. I prefer DECA over EQ, but you will get different opinions on that. I love QV products. I have had good success with them and they are reasonably priced.

Good luck with the cycle.

[bowbow]

I would forget about the d-bol especially since you don't want the quick fast gains anyways and run a test eq cycle for 12 weeks at 500 and 400 mgs a week and add the winny like the others suggested if you want. Personally i would'nt say you need hcg with that cycle but many use it now no matter what the cycle. I recover just fine from your basic clomid therapy. Thats up to you though. And welcome to the board. Hope some of this helps.

[noEQual]

Thanks pig.... I did weight 185 but I lost alot due to a job transfer.
How many carlories do you think I need? And also how many fat grams, protein grams, and carbs?

[pigmeat]

Originally posted by noEQual
Thanks pig.... I did weight 185 but I lost alot due to a job transfer.
How many carlories do you think I need? And also how many fat grams, protein grams, and carbs?

I dont realy understand what you want to do here? You want to use steroids,but dont want it to be noticeable? If you do everything right,(good diet,good training,and sound cycle), it will be noticeable. I like to pound the hell out of the carbs while on a bulker,and you should get at least 250 g protien a day.

[pigmeat]

If it is bloat that you dont want people to notice bro, run an anti e like l-dex,every day to keep the "moon face" down.

[noEQual]

That's what I mean Pig..... water retention. *ell yes I want to see results! I just know some guys around where I live will blow up really big and have that smooth appearance not defined.... ends up just a bunch of water weight. How much L-dex would you suggest? Thanks

[omoore61]

Most people say start with .25mg of ldex a day, if you are still bloating increase it to .50mg a day.

[noEQual]

Thanks moore, by the way how is you cycle coming along?

[jack hust]

good luck with what ever you do bro